Our Stage is Your Stage

I remember Biohazard saying something about how they were willing to share the stage with the kids in the pit. This was in the early 1990s when they were opening for Fishbone. Before I talk about the main topic at hand i.e, my point in posting, I’m going to tell you a story about Fishbone and drummers, which has nothing to do with anything, except that drummers kick ass.

My friend Pat is a dope drummer. If only he were, as Clem Snide suggest, half-Jewish… Anyway, Pat goes backstage, pre-show to mingle with Fishbone when they were together and touring and before all the crazy kidnapping and whatnot. Pat approaches the drummer for Fishbone and asks him if he uses any computer aid or drum machine aid for the insane kick drumgasm at the end of “Servitude” off of Give a Monkey a Brain and He’ll…. The dude from Fisbone told him hell no. I arrive at the show and ask Pat if he got to talk to the band. He says yes and that he had indeed asked the drummer about the craziness with the feet and the drums and that he, Pat was referred to in a vernacular that might be less than vaguely Oedipal in nature. Nevertheless, we enjoyed the show. After Fishbone finished “Servitude” in their set, the drummer leapt off his seat, ran to the lead mic and said, “That was for the motherfucker who accused me of using a drum machine.” I looked at Pat. He looked at me. I gave him the thumbs up and did the “I’m laughing knowingly at the band’s hijinks” head nod. Let it be known that the drummer indeed did not use a drum machine and pulled off 128th notes with his feet.

Now we discuss the topic at hand, e.g, Biohazard, anarchy and post-modernism. Or just how weird people are when they are offered the stage. Or an open comment form.

In reading popular personal sites, especially those with hundreds of commenters, there is a kind of comment hijack that occurs. It’s less about trolls or whatever, but very similar to stage diving. At some shows the people waiting to stage dive outnumbered the band by double and the band could barely function, because they were dodging fans. As a person who wants to see the band, but doesn’t feel a need to stage dive, it sucks because the band I came to see is in danger of being trod upon by the stage divers. It’s awfully dadaist when the audience takes over (but not in a sing-along kind of way) and destroys the performance of the artist, so maybe it’s a dadaist hijacking of comments that I’m referring to. And you only see it once the comments hit a hundred or more. At some point, it becomes impossible to track the comments, and by god, you have to comment, and pretty soon, you’re in line to stage dive, knocking the bass player over and forcing the band to cover for her.

At any rate, there are stage divers/commentors, dadaists and kick ass drummers all converging and submitting and essentially drowning out the original voice of the artist. Not that there’s anything wrong with that. However, as a student of both post-modernism and post-post-modernism, at what point does the artist even matter, except for providing the event from which the audience may take over?

I’m not saying that it’s evil or anything like that. It’s just a thing that happens that’s nutty. And all I’m saying is that the comments area is kind of the equivalent to Biohazard saying, “Our stage is your stage, man.”

  • julie

    128th notes with his feet?

    Awesome

  • http://misspriss.org becky

    rest assured that the original artist is WAY more interesting than the stage diving, though. every time.

  • http://www.blurbomat.com patatomic

    Dude…what you forgot to mention is that they played the song FASTER than what they did on the album. And my original question that I asked him was if it was all one live take. Somehow he misunderstood what I was asking. Boy did I feel stupid. Now he drums for Justin Timberlake. I doubt that I’ll get a chance to hang out backstage with him again.

    James Brown’s brilliance was that he was the one to organize the party that became the music. The musicians would be playing and then James would walk into the room and add his thing and then boom…the magic was finally synthesized. Of course James took all the credit (financial and otherwise) and never fully credited his musicians who did all the work. Kind of a sad really.

  • http://jesslin.com/blog/ jesslin

    I definitely have to concur with you on the whole drummers being awesome thing. How do they keep up their stamina — how do they do a freaking show like that? Especially drummers for punk bands where the drum rhythm is huge fast.

    And I totally agree with becky; you’re the inspiration!

  • Jen J.

    Over the last two or three days, I’ve come to VERY CLEARLY understand why some artists shut down the stage divers. Wow.

  • http://spankyourcat.blogspot.com/ Christi

    So, It would be bad to change the subject now?

  • http://metrodad.typepad.com/ MetroDad

    Interesting analogy. I was thinking of this very topic recently. Are the obsessive commentors attempting to achieve some sort of Warholian fame-by-association? Coolness by proximity? or is it merely a case where seeing your name/comments on the internet endows you with a sense of fame, importance or relevance?

    Whatever the case, it DOES all get a little nutty. And from a sociological point of view, I think it’s pretty fascinating. For example, look at Dooce​.com. Don’t get me wrong. I’m a huge fan of your wife’s site. I think she’s cool, intelligent, and a great writer. But the enormity of her fan base frightens me. Sometimes I think she could post a photo of Chuck’s poop and she would get 300 comments. Is that what you meant by the hijacking of comments? (Because I always thought it was just that people wanted to be closer to the drummer.)

    Great entry.

  • Tracy

    Man — I’ve been trying to define what’s been bugging me about seeing a certain open comment forum sort of spin out of control recently, and what you wrote absolutely nailed it. Excellent perspective, and definite food for thought.

  • Carol

    Hmmm… point taken.

  • Carol

    Well, before I go… I thought (and I am new to this whole blogging thing) people who had blogs wanted comments. I really did. I thought we were all helping. But if not, that’s cool. I don’t need to comment. I comment because it’s fun. It really is. I’m sorry it has taken away from the artist, because I really don’t think that was the intention of all the commenters. The intention was to build up the artist. And become a community. Which to me is the greatest compliment to the person writing the blog.

  • Gia on Guam

    Thanks Jon. I’m sure those persons were well intended but it started to actually deter others as it left off the original subject matter.

  • http://www.kimmings.co.uk julian

    Good point — and Johns analogy is very appropriate… sometimes the post flooding can make comments seem very irratic.
    Wouldn’t it be great to aquire some kind of queuing or comment lock system like mySQL has… a first click first post thingy! All posts are held in a queue till the poster in front has clicked submit!?!?!

  • http://Http:www.stubbornlikeamule.net Michelle Koen

    Interesting post, I was thinking about the very same thing this morning as I have just begun the whole blogging thing after being a “long time blog reader (first-time commenter)”.

    I guess it’s a matter of context and relevance, as a new blogger I relish the few comments I get, but they are generally related to our posts. However, if I go to see a band/artist in an intimate setting nothing pisses me off more than people talking over the top of the act, it’s not what you made the effort to go out/visit for. However, with friends and family in new bands, I know they relish people coming up to them quietly after the show with positive feedback, however they do feel weird about groupies. I guess this is where the balance lies.

    Sorry if this was too long, delete as you will, may post with trackback instead on my blog.

  • http://chickenflicken.blogspot.com Chicken Flicken

    Just my thoughts.…I like that there is a discussion element at Dooce, but sometimes I just want to see what people have to say about the picture or about the day’s post. I don’t necessarily want to know about someone else’s life unless I asked. Could this be remedied with a Dooce Chat Forum? That way, if one were so inclined, one could check out the chatter about topics other than Leta’s juicy, delicious thighs.

  • http://undecidedlyso.blogspot.com/ Courtney

    Excellent post. I was just thinking yesterday as I read your wife’s post how strange it is that there appears to be some sort of contest going on to be the first to post. I find this very bizarre. Especially when the comment only consists of “I’m first,” and nothing relating to the post that your wife so brilliantly wrote. In regards to Carol’s comment above, I think you may have misunderstood. I don’t believe Jon was saying he doesn’t welcome comments. If this were the case, I’m sure he would take the option to comment off completely. Bloggers do want comments. I just recently started my own blog and love when I get comments from the 2 people that read it. I do agree with you, though, and what a great analagy.

  • anne

    Great analogy indeed. I was rather hoping that you might say something along these lines.

  • http://misskimberley.blogspot.com Miss Kimberley

    I am a regular reader of both Jon and Heather’s site, and I also agree with MetroDad. Sometimes you see completely random comments, and/or wayyy off topic. Sometimes fun, sometimes not so much.

  • http://chanelbaby.typepad.com/chanelbaby Chanelbaby

    One, I agree with Miss Kimberly and MetroDad that some of the comments (actually many of the comments) Dooce gets from her posts are strange and irrelevant.

    Two, I think that underpinning your confusion about this question “at what point does the artist even matter” is an ambivalence about desiring relevance in a post-modern world. I think we want relevance, we want some ownership over the meaning of the writing, but we feel that we shouldn’t want that, because post modernism tells us that the community receiving the art plays just as much a role in its “meaning making” as we do.

    Which sticks a little bit, in the craw, don’t you think?

  • http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=WindyLou WindyLou

    Interesting topic. I have all but quit commenting (at Dooce) because of this trend.

  • fayrene

    Short-time reader, first-time commenter here. This is a great analogy, and I just wanted to comment to let you know that I thought that you were smart when I read your post.

    Also, I think that commenting on other, more popular blogs (at least in some bloggy circles) and linking to your own site through the comments, is a way for some people to try to get more traffic on their own blog.

    Instead of stage-diving, though, is it more like a throwing gladioli/hugging Morrissey thing?

  • http://dev.freeverse.com/blogs/kerewin/ kerewin

    I’m first!

    Okay, just kidding. Anyway I just wanted to say thank you for voicing what has been in my thoughts for a few days. Essentially that it appears that some people’s sites (errr comments) have turned into forum posts. At times to the point where two people are just basically having a dialogue on someone else’s website. Strange creatures we are.

  • http://www.sugarpants.net Candice

    Well said. Thanks, Jon.

  • montana mommy

    the band also wasn’t opening the stage for the world to join in. when you have a comments page, people will comment. i think it is in our nature to see our name up in lights, or on the screen as the case may be (, especially if we can attatch our opinion to it). it does open up a lot for discussion, is the comments page for the blogger or for the viewers? anyway, i’m new to all this so maybe i just don’t know propper blog etiquete (sorry, can’t spell)

  • http://www.sweetney.com sweetney

    i noticed this phenomenon on dooce recently (and i assume this is what you’re referring to) — the comments veering dramatically from the original post, devolving into a “conversation” between commentors, often about things having nothing to do with what heather posted. i personally found it a little irritating in the “get a room!” sort of sense, but exhibitionists will be exhibitionists.

  • http://www.blurbomat.com dj blurb

    It’s not just dooce​.com but other sites as well. By all means, I welcome comments, as I’d love to hear differing opinions or insights that I may not have considered. That’s why the comment form is made available. I just find it interesting what people do/say when given an open mic.