Not just a river in Egypt

Two nights of Ambien® and I was stoned all day Wednesday. Not good. Plus, I couldn’t stop talking about it, driving Heather crazy. Two more nights of over the counter sleep aids and I’m sleeping like I did the nights after I quit my office job. Lovely. And damn, that Ambien® is spendy.

I was diagnosed with walking pneumonia, which I’ve had before, in 2002 right after we got Chuck and before we got married. Back then I took too long to see a doctor and drove Heather equally crazy then as now. I’m always worried about taking antibiotics and given my constitution, I worry that I’ll harbor the next pandemic. But I finally said enough and I’ve been taking a strong course of them, with a few side effects. I feel much better. Yesterday wasn’t so good because somebody decided to sing her way through her nap and be super bipolar through the rest of the day. Not such a big deal, but then her parents didn’t have a nap and the whole family was grumptastic. Minor bumps, really.

The other thing I’m looking at is that I likely have a case of mild depression. Talking with Heather and looking at a bunch of sites has been a little eye-opening. So I took all of the reading and talking and spoke with the doctor about the possibility of depression. What I think is that if it is depression it’s a mild manifestation of a thing called dysthymia, where I can function, but don’t get all the enjoyment I could/should from life. I wouldn’t think to use terms like “dour” or “humorless” to describe myself, but I know a wife (and likely an ex) who could.

The doctor felt that because of my horrible sleep habits most of the signs of depression that I exhibit could be caused by lack of sleep. He wanted to get the sleep fixed and then see how everything else went. I’ve slept horribly for most of my adult life. So before I get all hypochondriac-y on it, I’m going to stay on the over the counter sleep meds for a few weeks.

I’ve had some therapy and in those sessions I’ve spoken about depression, but there have been so many other things to work through and talk about that it’s always been kind of hidden. The therapy was mostly to work through long-standing issues resulting from a rigid religious upbringing (not blaming the parents, the culture or the religion, just my reaction to it, settle down) and the upheaval from the divorce and remaking of my life following. The therapy was really good, but now that I’m not in a crappy work environment and I get to spend time watching educational TV with my daughter, there isn’t anything to blame for some of the persistent emotions. Except maybe Barney. Or the Wiggles. Sure, watching Leta can be trying some days but that passes.

Looking deeper, I’ve had a long history of anger and denial. Mostly against group think, group culture and what I felt were unrealistic expectations from family and culture. Mormonism prides itself on a hive mentality, especially in daily living. While a Mormon missionary, I dealt with some of the scariest thinking by group that I’ve ever encountered. And I was angry about it. I tried to mask it with a veneer of calm detachment and humor, but the denial part of it is that I was angry at myself for participating and encouraging the very thinking and activities I despised. So too do office environments tend to breed the worst part of group thinking, not the best, and I have typically done well in environments where I felt more free to express myself and more free to succeed or fail based on my own merits. Most jobs I’ve had that were bona fide career enhancing positions were easier to deal with than those where I felt I took the job as a desperation move to get out of a situation or to change a situation. Since I’ve been with Heather, the latter are the only kinds of jobs I’ve had until now. And I’m still struggling to be as joyous as I should be. Maybe it’s an echo slump from the sewer line replacement? Maybe it’s the middle-age crisis stereotypically attacking me? Maybe it’s just aliens. Or a virus.

  • http://eighteenchairs.blogspot.com/ laurabecker

    hi jon. i wanted to comment on your post because i too have been diagnosed with dysthymia when i went to a psychologist for what seemed like a mild depressive funk. i’m glad you posted about it because it seems like something more people should know about. once i read about the symptoms, i felt a lot better and stopped giving myself a hard time. one of the things about having/maybe having dysthymia is that you’re in a situation that makes you content, so it’s frustrating to not feel content by it. sometimes this simple realization really can snap you out of it a little, and make you a more aware of when you may be slipping back into it.

    it seems like life, in all its ups and downs, has been coming at you, heather, and leta pretty fast lately. i think that sometimes even the ups can have a negative effect on someone with this condition, because you’re likely to be more sensitive to and focused on how you would feel if you lost something you’ve gained (consciously or subconsciously). it’s like an up just equals the threat of a down.

    anyway, i just think that this development is one of the many reasons why what you and heather do is so valuable. by sharing so much about your day to day life, it makes it so easy for me and for your other readers to understand how and why something like this can happen to you, and it makes it more likely for someone to recognize something they didn’t realize about their own situation.

  • http://hillbillyplease.blogspot.com/ jagosaurus

    That you’re taking a systematic approach to discovering what your condition is, and its cause(s), is a good thing. I took a similar systematic approach to diagnosing (well, my doctor did the official diagnosis) what ultimately turned out to be clinical depression.

    Although … have you considered elves? It could be elves.

  • http://www.dorky.typepad.com Dorkette

    I can absolutely relate, to the sleep and the depression. It sucks total ass that as some point the problems with one feed into the other and excacerbate the hell out of the whole thing. I know that for me, sometimes during a really bad or hectic year I can get so caught up in crises and such that you can’t stop and recognize where you are mentally. And then, gradually, the dust settles and your mind starts to feel safe, and it’s as if your subconscious is allowing you to recognize there are things that need to be worked on. Except, often times you think to yourself: why now? Why not back when “x” was happening and I was really stressed?

    I’m glad you have the insight that you do, and that you are in a place where you feel supported to muddle through it all.

  • http://www.eighthourlunch.com Eight Hour Lunch

    It’s definitely Xenu. With a probe. I uh, I hear that sucks…

    There’s too much I can totally relate to. All I can say is good luck. I’ve decided to work with my insomnia for now by freelancing. And sex. And Hap Ki Do. And sex. And guitar. And the blog. And uh…sex. ;)

  • http://suburbanmisfit.blogspot.com Candace

    Interesting. I can relate. I think there’s something going on (or not going on, as the case may be) in this brain of mine that’s sucking away my usual lust for life. I used to be happy, now I’m not. And the thing is, I have so much more to be happy about these days, so what the hell is my problem?

    I should see one of those doctor people, eh?

  • Tommy from Michigan

    Driving home a friend was saying that his doctor told him 1/2 hour of exercise 5 days a week was as effective as a course of depression meds for some people with a lower grade issue. I would say I have noticed that I have struggled with what I call low grade depression that has been in some sort of remission since I started exercising more. Now you are probably already that active so that’s for what it worth.

    All that sewer mess and the cost would have done a number on me, big time. Lack of sleep sucks too.

  • Lowter

    At least you are not plastering a smile on your face and just carrying on … I know so many people who never stop to think how they feel and why they feel that way. I am not a happy go lucky person … that’s not to say that I don’t find little bits of happiness every single day … but I have to think about it and look for them.

    One thing I’ve always admired about your wife is that she doesn’t (seem to) Just Smile because she’s a woman and women are supposed to be perpetually happy.

  • http://miniaturerose.blogspot.com Rose

    Jon, thank you for sharing this. May you all be well.

  • rebecca

    Wow. Group think. I too cannot stand this framework and I have never had a name for it until I read this post.

    Mild depression is easily treated and it’s good that you are taking it seriously and seeking help.

    Your post really hit home for me.

    rebecca

  • Leta

    The best thing you can do for any mood disorder, IMHO, is recognize that it’s there. So good for you, GI Joe, you’ve won half the battle.
    For me, there is an absolute connection between sleep, stress, and sadness. If I don’t get my 8 hours, I’m a mess. If I’m stressed, I don’t sleep. I have a 9 week old baby, and I feel like I’ve won the Irish sweepstakes because she routinely sleeps 6-8 hours at a clip, and totals about 12 hours a night. She’s been this way since birth. Not much of a daytime napper, but I feel blessed just the same. Sleep deprivation was the thing I feared most before Cass was born, and was terrified that it would be the trigger that led into a PPD spiral. This has not happened, thank god, but I would like to think that I would have been prepared if it had, and that would have made it easier to seek effective treatment quickly.
    I guess my point here is that it’s okay to ponder, and to try to treat many things at once to get to the true root of the problem. Best of luck, Jon. The Internet is pulling for you.

  • Dr. To You

    Jon–
    I think you are courageous in sharing your story. I treat a lot of people for depression, mostly women. A sign of depression is sleep disturbances, whether too little or not enough. With all due respect to your dr, I don’t agree with him. Sure, lack of sleep can cause your problems, but I think your depression is the primary diagnosis, not the insomnia. Treating the sleep first is like putting a band aid on a gaping wound.

    I don’t mean to sound like a know-it-all, but just offering my unsolicited opinion. Take care of the depression first, ie maybe a SSRI, and the sleep will probably fall into place.

    In my opinion, benedryl has no place in treating depression. It can give you a mean case of constipation and next-day hangover though.

    Also, if you found 10 mg of Ambien way too much, cut it in half. Works for me!

  • MontanaJen

    Of course I echo the other comments in wishing you well on this journey toward a happy sleep pattern and overall joie de vivre, but I would like to thank you for displaying such raw emotion and truthfullness in your explanation of your current state.

    Too often, we are given the ‘it’s just a slump’ diagnosis, and walk through the next six months (or, heaven forbid, six years) not touching the reality around us. It’s NOT a slump, more than likely, but it is fixable.

    Again – thanks for being open and honest in your current situation and methods for finding a solution. Good on ya’.

  • maki

    Could be gnomes. Those pesky roaming gnomes.
    Your blog and Heather’s blog are so frank about life and having problems. Thank you for sharing your story — I need to remind myself, it’s okay to not be perfect.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/72feetabovesealevel/ 72feetabovesealevel

    Jon,

    Thanks for sharing your story. I suffer from insomnia too, and yeah, itís awful. I use one of the Diphenhydramine OTC sleep drugs a couple of times a week, itís really helpful and does the trick most of the time. If Iím really wound up or have had problems sleeping for a couple of days 25mg of Hydroxyzine knocks me out cold, but you have to be careful, if you donít get a full eight-hours of sleep youíll still be stoned in the morning.

  • matt

    I can relate to everything you’re saying Jon — I’ve been there myself. At the height of my mild depression, the Ambien helped me normalize my sleep pattern. Then, a small dose of Prozac and some therapy made me feel like a new person. I wish you the best.

  • http://www.lastnail.org christine.

    Sounds like you need a sports car. Maybe something flashy. Red? I bet you’re a sliver or black type. Yessssssssss, a car.

  • http://tiggerlane.blogspot.com Tiggerlane

    Oh, Jon.

    Even though I only read you guys on the ‘net, I just teared up, reading what you are going thru.

    SO glad you are being smart about it – considering everything in your life, past and present and thoughts of the future, that play into the way you are feeling right now. Who knows if the solution is exercise, medicine, mid-life crisis come-early, etc…the important thing is that you are taking it slow and giving it all the time and thought it deserves.

    I have often wondered, having some of the same symptoms, if our lives with computers have contributed in some way to sleep deprivation issues. Then again, I also wonder if it the “LDS” that got us here. That’s some serious mind-shit – hence, a lot of us leave.

    Be careful with the Ambien, though – lots out on the news lately. I mean, look at what happened to Michael Kennedy! DON’T DRIVE THOSE BULLDOZERS ONE NIGHT!

    Seriously though – good for you for talking it out here. I’m sure you will all figure this out.

  • http://www.eighthourlunch.com Eight Hour Lunch

    Ok, I don’t want to be a comment-whore, but I just had this idea…I like freelancing, and I like sex. What if I started doing freelance…um…nevermind.

  • Ann

    Don’t post this, or do.
    Reading your post I suddenly got it. You’re right. Office think is just as bad as any other kind of group think, meta-culture-double-latte-lemming-cliff-think you can imagine. I’d been in therapy for mild depression and insomnia (could get through the day, everyone thought I was funny and hip and smart, but I would drive home from work crying my eyes out, but not really feeling anything, slept about 2 hours a night for 8 months). I never felt better than when I was freelancing doing my own design and art and web stuff. Except for the 5 years I worked in for progressive causes. Having your work reflect your political and other views really helps the depression. However, recently, that really didn’t seem quite enough and so I’m going to take the freelance plunge–with accompanying healthcare freakout that you’ve so eloquently charted. I’ve been inspired by your site and Heather’s site on a bagillion levels, but mostly because you are both art and culture professionals making your way, in your own way AND that you share this with us. I sometimes wish your blog had more geeky programming or design info, that you discussed your overall process more, buy hey, that’s my bag. It’s your site, and it is what it is. Definitely get the sleep shit under control before hitting the RX for the depression. You might see a world of difference. (here’s the token drug ad: I used Trazadone for sleep before people started talking about it for sleep. Ambien did nothing for me. I managed to get a dr. who was working on a study at NIH about antidepressants and who had taken trazadone himself. It has the benefit of also being a “happy pill,” so so I couldn’t say no. Little groggy at night for about two hours, but no addiction, no hangover, no sex side effects, relatively cheap for the under-insured.) Best of luck.

  • http://www.iprettymuchhateeverything.com Torrie

    1) I too suffer fom dysthymia. My only advice is: get out of the house every day, find joy in the little things, and make sure you do things that give you a sense of pride and purpose.

    2) Tylenol PM is just Benadryl plus Tylenol, so if you don’t have any pain just take Benadryl. It’s cheaper.

  • http://www.thrusher.blogspot.com thrusher

    Thanks for writing about this. While I don’t suffer from depression, I have been in recovery from crazy-ass religion for a long time. It helps to hear what you’re going through. We’re all behind you and wishing you luck.

  • http://www.theblogpound.com CynicalDog

    I definitely notice a relationship between the quality of my sleep, and how I cope with the following day. A good night’s sleep is absolutely necessary for me to be able to think clearly, to keep a positive attitude, etc.

    I did find my sleep improved after finding an anti-depressant which worked for me. Also, don’t be afraid to ask your doctor for a different sleep aid if Ambien seems to leave you groggy. I liked Sonata a bit more than I liked Ambien, and my doctor was able to give me free samples so I could try it for a couple of weeks without paying for an expensive prescription. I’ve never tried Lunesta, but it’s new and not supposed to be habit-forming, so you’ve got two alternatives if Ambien doesn’t help. Good luck to you — a good night’s sleep is absolutely dreamy, no pun intended :)

  • http://www.visual-voice.net VisualVoice

    sounds like a combination of things. Don’t be too hard on yourself, Jon. You’ll find a way out of this. The newest scientific data is remarkably showing deep breathing/mediating can turn depression around… it activates activity in the left side of the brain. Since you’re an artist, most likely you’ve got more right brain action going on… might be worth a concerted effort, perhaps.

  • http://www.yikes.ca jessiecb

    Sleep is such a curious thing. Usually, I sleep pretty well but every now and then (esp. if stressed out about something) I experience insomnia. People, let me tell you, it makes me totally crazy. So I can only imagine how you must feel, jon, as you mentioned you have a hard time sleeping more often then not. I dont really have any advice….other then maybe try a few shots of gin, but good luck on feeling better soon.

  • butterfrei

    It took years for me to do something about why I felt unable to enjoy life, address my anger issues, and often unsociable behavior. I do not believe I ever will be 100% but finally! just confirming and identifying that I have mild depression in combo with mild social anxiety has helped A LOT and I make changes in myself little by little. Just being able to admit I have a problem and deal with that was half the battle right there, and a weight off my shoulders. I was also on Paxil for a few months as well as seeing a behavioral therapist. I’ve been off the Paxil for about three weeks now. Unfortunately my lethary (I sleep too too much) and lack of focus has come back but now I can manage these things and my emotions better, before it gets too problematic. So far my discovery has been an 8 month journey and counting. I may go back on a low dose of Paxil in a few months if things don’t change, but in the meantime, I feel better overall, residually.

    Perhaps you might discuss trying an antidepressant, it could help your sleep cycle as well. Plus, OTCs zombiefy people.

    P.S. I think Leta really does know how to read and is getting you guys back for the latest flash video and pooping in public story. : D (but keep them coming, they kick me out of MY funk.)

    And maybe this might give you a chuckle.
    I’m not sure SLC is a conservative safe haven anymore. What are you guys in Utah up to? Tee hee – Pete has a wiki.!!

    http://firehatch.com/