Quote and Massive Upchuck Mormon Detritus

“You are more Ex-Mormon than I am Mormon.”

Which is kind of funny. I didn’t embark on a course of rigorous study to leave Mormonism (but I did when I decided to go on a mission for the church) and it has only been within the last couple of years that I’ve read anything remotely “ex-Mormon”. I’ve read Martha Beck’s controversial Leaving the Saints, but the above quote came as I was discussing with a former coworker a book that he lent me, By his own hand Upon Papyrus: A New Look at the Joseph Smith Papryi (Text of the book available here). The book calls into question Joseph Smith’s translation of a set of Mormon scripture called The Pearl of Great Price, specifically, the book of Abraham. The book also ends with a plea to embrace Jesus as your savior, so it kind of shoots itself in the foot in the objectivity department.

I hesitate to write about this at any length because it’s a loaded topic. Any time somebody questions Joseph Smith, it’s an invitation for a range of responses and arguments. I’m not coming at this from an anti-Mormon or confrontational place at all. I’ve resolved all my issues with the Mormon church in such a way that I’m more interested in the church from an anthropological or sociological place than anything else. I live in Utah and I believe the cultural and political structure of Utah is unique in the United States. Most of my opining has come from examining, criticizing and poking fun from that angle. If you think that I should “leave it alone”, you might have a point. But I think talking about this book has value. I don’t think I’m going to sway anybody (either towards or against the Mormon church) and that isn’t my goal.

So what about this book? Published in 1992 by Provo, Utah resident Charles M. Larson, who was ostracized and suffered job-related harassment (his own account here) from publishing By His Own Hand, the book examines the claim that Joseph Smith was able to translate the Egyptian papryi into Mormon scripture. The papryi were purchased from an Irish man who had travelled with Egyptian mummies to Kirtland, Ohio in 1835. The church purchased the papyri for Joseph Smith to translate. Smith did so and at the time, the followers believed that Smith was divinely inspired.

The original papyri were lost in the Mormon exodus and re-surfaced at the New York Metropolitan Museum of Art in 1966 and so they were returned to the church. The church then had it’s pre-eminent scholar, Hugh Nibley, take a look at the papryi and encouraged him to verify both the authenticity of them as well as Joseph Smith’s translation. Mr. Nibley worked with the pre-eminent Egyptologists of the day and they differed from the Joseph Smith interpretation, determining that the scrolls were generic funerary scrolls, nothing more. Joseph Smith translated the papryi as Abrahamic in nature and that they supported previously “revealed” Mormon temple ritual (see fascisimile 2 [of 3] here).

Mr. Nibley is the father of Martha Beck, her book alleges her father abused her in part because of his realization that Joseph Smith couldn’t have translated that book as Smith and the church say. Ironically, both father and daughter have critics who assert they play loose with the facts and with sources. Here’s Beck’s ex-husband reviewing Leaving the Saints. Here’s a “defense” site put up by her family (using what appears to be shady SEO tactics). Here’s a refutation of Nibley’s findings regarding the papyri and his methodology. Higher up on that same page is an echo of many LDS scholars:

“By selectively including what suits his presuppositions and ignoring what does not, he is able to manufacture an ancient system of religion that is remarkably similar in many ways to our own–precisely what he sets out to demonstrate in the first place.”

(Link).

The main issues at play in all of this for me are as follows:

Continual efforts by some Mormons to prove their faith via scientific means but not scientific method.

For example, showing pictures of Mayan or Aztec ruins and then equating them to Book of Mormon passages. When I counted myself a believer, I used to get into this, but whenever I’d look a little deeper, the research always seemed biased, incomplete and/or full of hope as opposed to full of sound practices and findings. I was also troubled by the paradox of most of the faithful decrying the science of Darwin, yet fawning over archeological finds that supposedly bolstered Mormon conjecture.

There have recently been other “Ex” books published and one that I came across researching this blurb looks to be pretty interesting. It’s a book reviewing the scientific claims made by Joseph Smith and others trying to prove the doctrine of the church through science. Like the Beck book, it comes from a personal place. Which may or may not strengthen its claims.

Most Mormons are unaware of the conflicting views of the translation and that the evidence points away from Joseph Smith translating the Book of Abraham.

And why should they be aware? Larson’s book is explosive in its assertions. It throws out a chunk of revealed doctrine and puts serious doubts forward about Joseph Smith being a prophet. Joseph Smith is, according to teachings when I attended, the keystone of the religion. If he’s not a prophet, the whole thing falls apart. If the church hasn’t moved away from this line, I’d be surprised. As the church has tried to become more mainstream, it has changed things about itself in minor ways.

The subject of the rediscovered papyri never came up during my years of attending church meetings. This is troubling on two counts, 1) When one is investigating the church, one is strongly and constantly encouraged to ask God of it’s truth; and 2) Once you’re in, the environment is such that questions are discouraged. Any questions regarding Joseph Smith, “revelations” or alleged revelations is a recipe for being marginalized, getting a talking to by local leaders and if you don’t let it go, or persist on asking the questions in public it can be grounds for being disfellowshipped or excommunicated.

Then there are the apologetics. The biggest organized bunch is a part of BYU, called the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies (FARMS). They are often accused of fabrication, being loose with sources (much like Nibley was) and at times making even mainstream Mormon scholars uncomfortable. Here’s the FARMS take on the Larson book. Note the usage of ad hominem and how they shift blame for any inaccuracies away from Joseph Smith. Smooth. But as much fault as there is in the Larson book (published by a fundamentalist Christian press with an obvious agenda), it’s hard to find fault with Larson’s research and presentation of the papryi or his assertion that there is no way Joseph Smith translated the book of Abraham. Here’s one LDS scholar who apparently agrees with Larson.

The lack of an official response by the church either supporting the true findings or denying them. This one is the most troubling, as it implicates the church in a mute cover-up.

Undoubtedly, church leaders know full well that the rediscovered papryi casts significant doubts about Joseph Smith. Their lack of response and keeping the book of Abraham (and Smith’s translations of the facsimile) in their accepted scripture implies that they are willing to wait this out. The nature of the culture inside the church means members are discouraged from calling out inconsistencies of this kind.

It would appear that the church has chosen silence because to respond to the evidence puts so much of its past in play. What is most interesting about a nearly forty year-old situation versus, say current DNA evidence and long held Mormon claims that Native Americans are descendants from Israel, is that the church is using PR and an army of apologists to fight any counter-claims. The church has chosen PR (it doesn’t appear they’ve actually watched the series… it’s screamingly clear that the central characters aren’t Mormon) to address the HBO series Big Love (which we are watching rather squirmingly and I’ll write about once the season ends).

So why write all of this? You left the church. What’s the big deal?

I’m fascinated by the machinations of the church. It’s a business, it’s a religion, it’s a political player and it’s relatively young. For now, it has a lock on the state legislature and gets looks at any legislation it wants. It’s a lobbying force and it’s deferred to constantly by municipalities as well as other religions in the region. Plus, it was founded by a character. And its followers defend him as though he was superhuman. I don’t think this has always been the case. In the early days of the church, many of the founders bailed out, largely due to differences with each other and Joseph Smith. Over time, the church has chosen to play up the good stuff about Smith and downplay the crazier stuff. But that crazy is deep in the DNA of the church.

The church is writing its history and creating an iconography in near real-time. It has changed itself ever so gradually with the times, albeit slowly and usually twenty to forty years behind mass U.S. society. Couple this with its apocalyptic/millenialist bent and it’s something that I find hard not to look at or into. If I didn’t live in Utah, I’d still be watching, but with the occasional telescopic view instead of the near daily microscope. The church in Utah is pervasive. It’s always in the news. You can’t avoid the Mormon influence in Utah.

  • below_me

    In all of your musings/rants re: the Mormon church, (unless I’m missing something), I’ve never seen you call them out on their legacy of controversial racial doctrines. Is this something you simply do not feel strongly about, or has its prominence in the Mormon church truly become negligible since the 1978 “revelation?”

    I’m truly curious.

  • http://wellbehavedwomen.blogspot.com LucyArin

    Jon–
    I really enjoyed this piece. I was raised in the Roman Catholic faith and often joke about my “recovering” status. I live in Ohio, and there aren’t many LDS folks here, so I find the whole subject fascinating. Thanks for sharing and more like it, please!

    ~Lucy

  • Laird Nelson

    You must start a band named Massive Upchuck Mormon Detritus.

  • http://www.piczap.com Creatrix

    Great post. Any system of beliefs or philosophy needs to be prepared for scrutiny and debate. Religions by definition have to be accepted on faith, but anyone who protests against questions of their faith with personal attacks and character slurs is a small-minded human being. I’m deeply spiritual but I accept that many people won’t agree with Paganism.

  • http://rivetergirl.blogspot.com rivetergirl

    I was raised sans religion of any kind. And because I never embraced any formal religion, I have ó what I believe ó is an ability to look at all religions somewhat objectively.

    I earned a couple of degrees in art history which required me to delve into the iconic images of many religions.

    Currently, I live about 4 hours west of SLC just inside the Colorado border. I’ve had the opportunity to visit the SLC area.

    One of my favorite places to visit when in the area is the Springville Art Musuem near Provo. The Mormon artwork is profoundly different and I find it quite captivating ó even though I find the religion itself more than a little disturbing.

    But the most interesting exhibit I’ve seen in my 10 years here was the Masada/Dead Sea Scrolls at BYU.

    I am definitly fascinated by the Mormom Church.

  • squandra

    “I’d rather live life believing in a god (religion) and be right, then to go through life in disbelief, and being wrong.”

    Well, I’d rather just live life. I’m remarkably blessed, and I intend to appreciate it fully.

    How about a little to-each-his-own, Skow?

  • http://www.eighthourlunch.com Eight Hour Lunch

    I have a problem with, “I’d rather live life believing in a god (religion) and be right, then to go through life in disbelief, and being wrong.”

    Known to the rest of us as Pascal’s wager, this philosophical stance presumes you can trick your god into thinking your belief is sincere. If you actually believe in an omnipotent god, you may just want to reconsider your odds.

  • http://www.skowronek.org skowronek

    8:Lunch — You bastard! ( =) ) — I’m not sure you can compare sincerity, faith and fact. Obviously faith implies doubt, as it is spiritual and emotional rather than scientific in nature (which implies empirical reasoning.) I’m not sure belief is measured in degrees sincerity. The fact I mentioned that quote was by no means an attack on anyone’s disbelief. Though apparently some have taken it as such, which in fact confirms my intolerance comment. I did state “I” in that quote on purpose. I, ‘Skowronek’ prefer to have belief and live with that belief, rather than not.

    Squandra — Please, carry on living life. Does that help?

  • http://www.skowronek.org skowronek

    By the way, for the record, I blame the Philadelphia for all of this, damn you, damn you all the hell…

  • http://www.eighthourlunch.com Eight Hour Lunch

    For the record, I surrender–and I do so for two very well thought out reasons:

    1. Skowronek is my boss. And a damn fine one, too.
    2. Skowronek is twice my size. Hell, who am I kidding? If I ever get off my ass and start working out, I may just be able to aspire to being one-sixth of his size.

    Peace.

    *Please?*

  • squandra

    Skow … No help needed, thanks. That would be … well, the point.

  • http://www.skowronek.org skowronek

    Unfortunately, I still do not understand the point of that last comment, but thankfully enough, apparently I don’t need to either!

  • http://joansyrambles.blogspot.com jonell

    I left the land of Zion shortly after my excommunication. I’m now supposedly in the land of Sin — Las Vegas — but it’s amazing to see how much Mormon influence exists here too.

    I demanded excommunication for purely emotional reasons. They kept saying mean things about my gay friends and that pissed me off. I didn’t examine the intellectual/scientific/historical basis for church doctrine, or lack thereof, but I find it all very interesting and look forward to checking out your links.

    I’m curious as to whether you will now be visited by the More Good Foundation. I wrote one small post on my otherwise very mommy/lawyer oriented blog about being a Recovering Mormon and have found an amazing number of hits from Provo Utah. It appears that the group is on a mission to check out everything anti-Mormon on the internet. I’ve written more about it at http://​joansyrambles​.blogspot​.com/​2​0​0​6​/​0​4​/​u​h​-​o​h​-​t​h​e​y​r​e​-​o​n​-​t​o​-​m​e.html. I wouldn’t mind that job, but I don’t know if it pays well.

    In any event, I enjoy your blog. Thanks.

  • http://justsayjes.com jes

    Jon, I loved this because despite how much I enjoy pretending that I know anything about Mormonism, I really don’t know all that much. I appreciate the entries that you & Heather post about Mormonism because you are speaking from firsthand knowledge, where I tend to just blow smoke.

    Often, your site educates me on issues about which I am otherwise ignorant. I’m not sure what this is saying about me.

  • http://www.skowronek.org skowronek

    Oh great, now people are considering Jon and Heather experts at Mormon culture…no offense Juan, but please…I now feel the urge to blog solely on the reasons behind which I was converted. Great…more work…my late nights.

  • staceymay

    I too love the fact that people take Jon and Heather’s point of view about the Mormon Church as doctrine. They left the Church beacuse they disagree with it. Doesn’t that mean they have their own biases? If I really want to know about any religion, whatever it is, I wouldn’t go to someone who obviously holds so much animosity for it. I wish that both Jon and Heather would get off their anti-Mormon rants. They are so much more interesting when they aren’t talking about politics and religion.

  • http://www.blurbomat.com blurb

    HAHAHAHAHA.

    And what does fifty combined years of living as believers and practicers of Mormonism mean?

  • Dogmom

    Geez, I have never thought that either Heather or Jon went on rants about the church. I have found them refreshingly unranty about it compared to those who have left at the various “recovering from Mormomism” sites that I’ve visited. It’s obvious that both Jon and Heather care a great deal about their families and for the sake of family harmony and genuine respect (I think) they very thoughtfully and considerately moderate their comments (yet retain that unique and wicked sense of humor that keeps us all coming back!) Lighten up!

  • Kristin

    Jon,
    This was such a great read. We just moved from Utah back to our “home” state (after living in Cache Valley for two years) and I must say that the Utah “culture” is nothing like anything else in the US (dare I say world?). I actually found it frightening that this kind of religious “culture” has been allowed to grow and multiply over the past 150 or so years, without any intervention from the government. It has all the earmarks of a cult.

    Sure, the family values and morals are wonderful, but the brainwashing is so scary. The “faithful” are not even allowed to question any part of their religion and if they decide to leave the church, their families disown them. Can you imagine??? What about unconditional love for your children?

    There are so many flaws in this “made up” religion and it is so obvious right from the beginning. Joeseph Smith was a fraud and it’s scary how much he got away with.

    I feel soooo sorry for all the children being raised in this religion, they know nothing else and their parents won’t let them explore and demand the truth. So sad.

  • http://www.blurbomat.com blurb

    Kristin,

    I disagree about the disowning. We joke about it, but it hasn’t happened. We don’t talk about some stuff at family gatherings, but I don’t think that is unique to Mormon/Ex-Mormon families. I would imagine every family has issues that are hot buttons and are avoided. For example, we’ve talked about Big Love with both families, which I’m sure caused Heather a minor coronary episode.

    I think all religions have cultish aspects. Anybody hear of the “Cult of Mary”? How about fundamentalism in general, across the board?

    I’ll write about my childhood experiences in a later post. I don’t want to bash or turn the site into exmormon​.org, jr. so I won’t, but my experience wasn’t at all what you describe.

    I believe that all religions are made up by humans, so singling out Mormonism seems a bit much and I detected a little condescending note in your tone. I hope that isn’t the case and I’m just misreading you.

  • http://faiththefinalfrontier.blogspot.com/ Weazelll

    While I have not read all of the same material you have, I too am an ex-Mormon who shares many of the same sentiments. It was in the months before I was to go on my mission that I found myself finally taking an objective look at what I believe. Now, at 51, I am still fascinated with the Mormon Church. I finally got around to reading Fawn Brodie’s biography of Joseph Smith, No Man Knows My History, a year or so ago and I would recommend it to anyone interested in understanding the real story about “the Prophet.” Thanks for the great post!

  • http://biggaysam.com Sam Merrill

    INCOMING!!!!!

    It takes all kinds. Here I am a devout, gay Mormon. The very epitome of an oxymoron. Or is that, oxymormon? *arched eyebrow*

    I would never ever consider leaving the church. But, that’s me. I’ve found what makes me happy. Jon and Heather are happier outside the church. More power to them.

    The church has been around for a while now and it will be around for a long time to come. I’m quite sure the restored church/fullness of the Gospel/God’s kingdom on Earth can handle a little criticism.

    If it gets out of hand? There’s always the Danites! dun dun dun!!!! :P

  • foobario

    Jon, you *are* more ex-Mormon than many members are Mormon. Because you’ve put more thought into why you believe what you do than many of them have. And to someone who has simply accepted the default cultural paradigm without thought (which isn’t hard to do in Utah), it must look like you are going out of your way to be difficult.

    I’m not putting words into their mouths here — this is what I was told when I left the church. One well-intentioned neighbor told me that “if that’s where thinking gets you, maybe it would be better if you didn’t think.” The cultural saturation is so complete that some (not all, but some) people never run into a thought that challenges their belief system.

    This isn’t unique to Utah, but it is notably pervasive there. Other cultures have variations on this theme: when I left Utah I moved to the Pacific northwest, and up here there’s a sort of pseudoliberalism that many people have… they’ll insist they’re not racist, but then again there aren’t any people of color in their communities so it’s not like they’ve had the opportunity to find out if they’re racist or not. But break-room jokes tend to revolve around racist or sexist themes, and if you point it out you get the blank stares: to them it’s not so much that they are being racist, it’s that you are going out of your way to cause problems by taking a non-racist stand.

    People always assume that whatever way they are being is the way people are supposed to be. And if they look around and don’t see anything but other people acting the same way, a sort of self-validating bootstrap effect kicks in, that reinforces the validity of their actions. And if one person stands out from the crowd by acting a different way, it’s pretty obvious what the problem is and where the blame lies.

    Unless you’re that one person.

  • http://dooce.migrantroo.com minxlj

    It’s always interesting to hear your views Jon, as they’re always intelligent and objective. I have chatted frequently to Heather’s cousin GEORGE! about his views and it’s cool to hear it from that side too. It’s something I don’t know a great deal on, living in the UK, but Utah and the way it works intrigues me.

  • http://vtol.blogspot.com PTC

    As a practicing and I’d like to think faithful member of the LDS faith, I’ve never heard Joseph Smith called the keystone of my religion. Just to make sure, I just googled it and found no references to him as the keystone. I did however find page after page of The Book of Mormon referred to as the keystone of the my faith. The rest of your statement holds true. Just replace Joseph with The Book of Mormon.

    If the Book of Mormon is the word of God and another testament of Christ, then Joseph Smith, however flawed, was a prophet, the Church is true, etc etc.

    For those not familiar with the keystone metaphor, please do not confuse this with the cornerstone metaphor. The cornerstone of our faith is Christ. I know. Too many metaphors. Let’s not confuse our stones.