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	<description>Jon Armstrong shares photos, music, politics, hair &#38; pants.</description>
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		<title>By: Redmax1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Redmax1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 19:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon,

Thanks so much for sharing the info about your workflow.  I&#039;m working in Aperture and have come to the following process.

Every event, or outing, or whatever becomes a project in Aperture.  I&#039;ve got a couple of folders  Personal, Work, etc that each have sub-folders by year.  Then each project gets named Year-Month-Day-[Descriptive Name].  I know this may sound a little anal but it has made it very much easier to keep track of things for me.

I&#039;ve been shooting everything RAW since moving up to an SLR a couple years ago.  My current flow is to import photos into the Aperture library and store the RAW photo into the Aperture main library.  This lets me work on the photos on the laptop wherever I happen to be.  I generally go through the photos and do a first round evaluation where I quickly rate the photo as either 3 stars, no stars, or discard.  This allows me to quickly get down to a batch of photos that are worth taking a second look at.  From here I&#039;ll up-rate and down-rate photos to get the final mix.  I generally use the 3 star rating as my threshold for &quot;publication&quot;.  Anything 3 stars and up makes the cut to end up in the web gallery or wherever.

I&#039;ve been cranking through photos faster than the poor laptop drive can handle.  To manage this I have a smart folder in Aperture that finds all photos that are more than 3 months old and are managed files instead of referenced files.  This allows me to find everything I&#039;ve shot that&#039;s been on the laptop for a bit, and use the relocate masters command to move the original RAW out to pasture on a storage volume.  Aperture is smart enough to create project folders on the target disk for everything so that I end up with a folder structure that looks pretty much like my Aperture library but is now outside of Aperture.  All the metadata and tagging still live in Aperture.  I should probably heed your advice to start exporting the XMP Sidecar. 

 But here is where I run into an issue.  I have tried exporting the sidecar files with the RAW but I haven&#039;t found a way to use the sidecar file with Bridge/Photoshop CS3.  So right now I&#039;m concerned that even if I were to export things that the XMP sidecar would end up doing me no good and I&#039;d still need to have aperture and the main library database to get back to my files.  Anyone out there found a way to get the adjustments out of Aperture and into Photoshop?

I&#039;m using SmugMug for online sharing of things as well as using it as a sort of online and offsite storage repository.  I&#039;m still managing my own backups for the RAW masters but at least I know I&#039;ve got JPG backups out there in the ether somewhere that I can go back to if I ever had a catastrophic local failure. I love SmugMug and with the Aperture plug-in it makes for a great workflow for me. My photos are up at http://kgmoore.smugmug.com/ for those who&#039;re interested.

Thanks again for sharing your process and I&#039;m looking forward to hearing any tips or tricks from others.

Kevin M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for sharing the info about your workflow.  I’m working in Aperture and have come to the following process.</p>
<p>Every event, or outing, or whatever becomes a project in Aperture.  I’ve got a couple of folders  Personal, Work, etc that each have sub-folders by year.  Then each project gets named Year-Month-Day-[Descriptive Name].  I know this may sound a little anal but it has made it very much easier to keep track of things for me.</p>
<p>I’ve been shooting everything RAW since moving up to an SLR a couple years ago.  My current flow is to import photos into the Aperture library and store the RAW photo into the Aperture main library.  This lets me work on the photos on the laptop wherever I happen to be.  I generally go through the photos and do a first round evaluation where I quickly rate the photo as either 3 stars, no stars, or discard.  This allows me to quickly get down to a batch of photos that are worth taking a second look at.  From here I’ll up-rate and down-rate photos to get the final mix.  I generally use the 3 star rating as my threshold for “publication”.  Anything 3 stars and up makes the cut to end up in the web gallery or wherever.</p>
<p>I’ve been cranking through photos faster than the poor laptop drive can handle.  To manage this I have a smart folder in Aperture that finds all photos that are more than 3 months old and are managed files instead of referenced files.  This allows me to find everything I’ve shot that’s been on the laptop for a bit, and use the relocate masters command to move the original RAW out to pasture on a storage volume.  Aperture is smart enough to create project folders on the target disk for everything so that I end up with a folder structure that looks pretty much like my Aperture library but is now outside of Aperture.  All the metadata and tagging still live in Aperture.  I should probably heed your advice to start exporting the XMP Sidecar. </p>
<p> But here is where I run into an issue.  I have tried exporting the sidecar files with the RAW but I haven’t found a way to use the sidecar file with Bridge/Photoshop CS3.  So right now I’m concerned that even if I were to export things that the XMP sidecar would end up doing me no good and I’d still need to have aperture and the main library database to get back to my files.  Anyone out there found a way to get the adjustments out of Aperture and into Photoshop?</p>
<p>I’m using SmugMug for online sharing of things as well as using it as a sort of online and offsite storage repository.  I’m still managing my own backups for the RAW masters but at least I know I’ve got JPG backups out there in the ether somewhere that I can go back to if I ever had a catastrophic local failure. I love SmugMug and with the Aperture plug-in it makes for a great workflow for me. My photos are up at <a href="http://kgmoore.smugmug.com/" rel="nofollow">http://kgmoore.smugmug.com/</a> for those who’re interested.</p>
<p>Thanks again for sharing your process and I’m looking forward to hearing any tips or tricks from others.</p>
<p>Kevin M.</p>
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		<title>By: blurb</title>
		<link>http://blurbomat.com/2009/05/11/digital-nesting/comment-page-1/#comment-31543</link>
		<dc:creator>blurb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 03:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m learning about DNG as well. I got a great email about the file format from a friend who is a pro and he&#039;s switched to DNG. I&#039;m a fence sitter at this point because I want a universal standard that camera manufacturers and software makers agree on and standardize so we don&#039;t have forced upgrades to Photoshop because a new camera comes out and Adobe wants the revenue.

More research is needed. I sound grumpy. For me, the real big reason to not use DNG for now is that I have to run a conversion on every image I want to store in DNG. That&#039;s painful. I want cameras to shoot a DNG and ALL SOFTWARE EVER to read them. 

I&#039;m not sure there&#039;s a reason to &lt;em&gt;avoid&lt;/em&gt; using DNG, but I&#039;m holding out. For a hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m learning about DNG as well. I got a great email about the file format from a friend who is a pro and he’s switched to DNG. I’m a fence sitter at this point because I want a universal standard that camera manufacturers and software makers agree on and standardize so we don’t have forced upgrades to Photoshop because a new camera comes out and Adobe wants the revenue.</p>
<p>More research is needed. I sound grumpy. For me, the real big reason to not use DNG for now is that I have to run a conversion on every image I want to store in DNG. That’s painful. I want cameras to shoot a DNG and ALL SOFTWARE EVER to read them. </p>
<p>I’m not sure there’s a reason to <em>avoid</em> using DNG, but I’m holding out. For a hero.</p>
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		<title>By: mightymarce.blogspot.com/</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 02:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sort of off-topic but I&#039;d love to hear your opinion of DNG instead of individual brands&#039; RAW.  I&#039;m still learning about all this but DNG would help solve the separate sidecar issue b/c it embeds all that data into the RAW file itself, right?  Clearly you&#039;re not gonna go through your huge collection and convert them over, but would DNG help prevent these sorts of problems later on?  Or is there a bigger reason to avoid using it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sort of off-topic but I’d love to hear your opinion of DNG instead of individual brands’ RAW.  I’m still learning about all this but DNG would help solve the separate sidecar issue b/c it embeds all that data into the RAW file itself, right?  Clearly you’re not gonna go through your huge collection and convert them over, but would DNG help prevent these sorts of problems later on?  Or is there a bigger reason to avoid using it?</p>
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		<title>By: tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon ~ I&#039;m printing this post &amp; can&#039;t wait to read at my leisure (ha! ha ha!) tonight after the baby&#039;s in bed. I&#039;m only a teensy bit geeky, am a huge amateur photographer, and I definitely need some work in both areas.  Hopefully, you&#039;ll still be taking questions in your comment section when I&#039;m done reading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon ~ I’m printing this post &amp; can’t wait to read at my leisure (ha! ha ha!) tonight after the baby’s in bed. I’m only a teensy bit geeky, am a huge amateur photographer, and I definitely need some work in both areas.  Hopefully, you’ll still be taking questions in your comment section when I’m done reading!</p>
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		<title>By: amybaby</title>
		<link>http://blurbomat.com/2009/05/11/digital-nesting/comment-page-1/#comment-31535</link>
		<dc:creator>amybaby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so anal about organizing my photos.  I use this folder structure: 2009 &gt; 01 Jan &gt; 11 [name of shoot] &gt; then three folders here: raw (for the raw photos and xml files), jpg (for high res versions and/or photoshop files), and web (for web optimized that I size at 900x598).

I&#039;m terrible about backing up though.  I&#039;m pretty sure I haven&#039;t plugged in the drive that I use with Time Machine in about 3 months.  Bad girl.  I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m so anal about organizing my photos.  I use this folder structure: 2009 &gt; 01 Jan &gt; 11 [name of shoot] &gt; then three folders here: raw (for the raw photos and xml files), jpg (for high res versions and/or photoshop files), and web (for web optimized that I size at 900x598).</p>
<p>I’m terrible about backing up though.  I’m pretty sure I haven’t plugged in the drive that I use with Time Machine in about 3 months.  Bad girl.  I know.</p>
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		<title>By: ehegwer</title>
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		<dc:creator>ehegwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 21:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a pro Photographer, I&#039;ve been there and done that.

The #1 worst problem you will face is whenever you change your workflow.  It seems like every program has a different way of handling metadata, keywords, and file organization.

One easy solution is Photoshelter, an on-line storage and archival solution.

Feel free to contact me if anyone has any specific thoughts/questions

FWIW - I use Aperture (and have just shy of a million images stored) and a few xServe Raid storage systems connected via Fiber to my workstation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a pro Photographer, I’ve been there and done that.</p>
<p>The #1 worst problem you will face is whenever you change your workflow.  It seems like every program has a different way of handling metadata, keywords, and file organization.</p>
<p>One easy solution is Photoshelter, an on-line storage and archival solution.</p>
<p>Feel free to contact me if anyone has any specific thoughts/questions</p>
<p>FWIW — I use Aperture (and have just shy of a million images stored) and a few xServe Raid storage systems connected via Fiber to my workstation.</p>
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		<title>By: blurb</title>
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		<dc:creator>blurb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 15:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard great things about Mozy. However, I&#039;m not going to backup 1.2TB to them. It&#039;s not feasible with our broadband speed. Maybe one day. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve heard great things about Mozy. However, I’m not going to backup 1.2TB to them. It’s not feasible with our broadband speed. Maybe one day. <img src='http://blurbomat.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jmery</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 13:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mozy (www.mozy.com) is another great on-line backup alternative.  My wife does retouch work out of the house for a local photographer.  I&#039;m paranoid about losing any data.

We have mirrored local disks which we backup to an external drive nightly.  This is kept at home all the time and used for quick restores or as a convenient way to move large data sets between computers.  Mozy is then used to back everything up online.

Mozy runs nightly as well (an hour or so after the in-house backup) and uploads everything we care about to their servers.  It&#039;s all encrypted both in-flight and at rest (they say they can&#039;t get to your data at all).  The first backup takes *forever* (as in weeks depending on the data set size).  After that, though, you&#039;re golden.

The best part to me is the price - $4,95/mo. for unlimited storage.  We&#039;re using about 300GB for photos and music with no complaints from them.

Disclaimer - I do NOT have any relationship with Mozy other than being a very satisfied customer of their service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mozy (www.mozy.com) is another great on-line backup alternative.  My wife does retouch work out of the house for a local photographer.  I’m paranoid about losing any data.</p>
<p>We have mirrored local disks which we backup to an external drive nightly.  This is kept at home all the time and used for quick restores or as a convenient way to move large data sets between computers.  Mozy is then used to back everything up online.</p>
<p>Mozy runs nightly as well (an hour or so after the in-house backup) and uploads everything we care about to their servers.  It’s all encrypted both in-flight and at rest (they say they can’t get to your data at all).  The first backup takes *forever* (as in weeks depending on the data set size).  After that, though, you’re golden.</p>
<p>The best part to me is the price — $4,95/mo. for unlimited storage.  We’re using about 300GB for photos and music with no complaints from them.</p>
<p>Disclaimer — I do NOT have any relationship with Mozy other than being a very satisfied customer of their service.</p>
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		<title>By: themightyjimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>themightyjimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 05:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i like the drobo idea but haven&#039;t committed to it yet.  

i am using aperture and am dealing with photo organization too.  i am trying to figure out the best way to organize projects.  by year?  by subject?  use them like albums?  

using the rating system will help with off site long term archives.  i haven&#039;t figured that one out either.  

i love these posts jon.  thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i like the drobo idea but haven’t committed to it yet.  </p>
<p>i am using aperture and am dealing with photo organization too.  i am trying to figure out the best way to organize projects.  by year?  by subject?  use them like albums?  </p>
<p>using the rating system will help with off site long term archives.  i haven’t figured that one out either.  </p>
<p>i love these posts jon.  thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Lukinich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Lukinich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 00:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, thanks. I&#039;ll go make sure I have that set in LR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, thanks. I’ll go make sure I have that set in LR.</p>
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