The Second Time Around

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I won’t lie. I’ve been terrified for four years about the thought of having a second child. Anybody who hasn’t read about Heather’s bout of postpartum depression and her stay in a psychiatric hospital to be treated should do so now (there is a good ending here and here). Are there people who read personal websites who haven’t heard Heather’s story?

I was a part of that story and it was harrowing. More harrowing than I shared or wanted to share at the time for a number of reasons. We all survived, but I didn’t want Heather to experience those horrible feelings of dread and anxiety ever again, especially around something so beautiful as bringing a new life into our family. I wasn’t sure I had the emotional and psychological reserves to get through something like that again. I still have a lot of residual painful memories, mostly of how hurt and sick Heather was and wondering during that summer of 2004 if she was going to make it or do something to both herself and Leta.

I also was thinking about Leta. Leta is a beautiful, intelligent and sweet kid. She’s also intense. More intense than any of my 30+ neices and nephews. More intense than any child I’ve ever known. Not intense in a spoiled, horrible way, but in a constantly questioning, emotionally deep way. Leta is extraordinarily sensitive to her world. Perceptive like no one’s business and a quick study. She’s sensitive, but can speak frankly and firmly when she wants, barking orders and taking no prisoners. Leta is very much a product of her parents and because of that, I felt like I owed it to her to give her every bit of attention, love, care, tutelage and wisdom I could muster. I need to help her build the armor she’s going to need to get through this world. Part of that is the need to teach her about boundaries, that life isn’t fair and that through hard work, she can achieve whatever she desires. That kind of commitment isn’t different than what other parents give their children. I know this. But for us, adding a second child would mean that our attention would be split. I assume most parents likely have this thought about adding children to their families. At least the neurotic parents. Of which, I am certainly one. I’ll wait a few moments for you to finish rolling your eyes.

My therapist told me a couple of years ago that she thought I suffered from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) around pregnancy because of what we went through as a couple in 2004. I tend to believe her. This time around, Heather assured me that she was not going to stop her meds cold turkey and would only reduce them, eliminating only those meds from her cocktail that are untested in terms of fetal development. That meant she’d still be on an anti-depressant. In 2007 we tried and were successful in getting Heather pregnant. She miscarried at 10 weeks and suffered some postpartum depression, which was totally understandable, but made me question if I had the reserves to handle severe postpartum depression again. I wanted to gear up for when we tried again. Once Heather’s system regulated and we decided we wanted a summer baby we went for it again and now we have our beautiful, sweet Marlo. Who deserves all the love and generosity we’ve shared with Leta.

I’ve been as helpful as I know how. I think I’ve done a better job this time being a supportive husband and father. Heather created the birth experience she wanted; no meds, no epidural and no episiotomy. I couldn’t have been more proud of Heather the night we drove like maniacs to the hospital with Heather writhing and Leta upset that mommy is screaming, why is mommy screaming? No mommy’s ok even though she’s super wired and kind of freaking out but is putting on the most calm happy voice she can while a baby is getting ready to come out of her. See?

Still, with all my reservations around bringing a second child into our family, I knew that I’d be home with Heather and the baby. I’d be able to be with her during the days and long nights. I’d be able to take the baby with me into the nursery while Heather slept soundly. And for the first while, that definitely was wonderful and things looked great. After a few days home, I began to see similar patterns in Heather and began to see that she was sinking fast. She wrote about how she responded and steps she’s taken here. Things are looking better and Heather’s handling all the bumps of infancy and motherhood very well. And I’m glad that we have the medical help we do, with a cocktail that works extremely well. One of the side benefits of Heather’s meds is that even though there aren’t sleeping pills as part of the mix, once she lets herself sleep, she’s out and gets solid sleep. Solid blocks of sleep go a long way to making one not go crazy. Being able to watch Marlo during the day while Heather naps helps after the rough nights, of which last night was one.

This time around, I’m definitely less worried about Heather. The baby sleeps with us and she’s doing great. Sure, Marlo can be a very noisy sleeper, like her sister, but it’s usually just gas related.

So far, the experience has been familiar, but so much better, even with the crazy sleep (to be fair to Heather, we try to spell each other during the day so naps can be taken, it’s not just me watching Marlo). I’m loving being home to help change diapers, get the baby to settle down and sleep. We have a king size bed this time around and I couldn’t recommend it more highly. Heather, Marlo and me have more than enough room to sleep. When Leta joins us in the mornings we can all fit and even allow the dogs aboard. I have more than six inches of mattress to sleep on and don’t ever fear crushing the baby. I’m sure she’ll be in the bassinet soon enough so I want to savor, as insane as that sounds, the co-sleeping.

So far, I get two to three blocks of sleep a night and get by with two or three diaper changes. I’m sure that’s going to change as the baby grows, but I’m just rolling with whatever happens. I’m astonished to even write that sentence. This time around it’s so much less about How Is Heather and more about structuring the sleeping so we are both sane. A marked jump away from walking on eggshells and getting hung up on a dozen times a day at the office.

Things That I’m Adjusting To
The shock of waking up and changing a diaper at varying times in the sleep cycle and then trying to get back to sleep. Not a whine, just an observation that wow, it can be challenging and I forgot how paralyzed by the need for sleep one can be after not sleeping normally for weeks at at time.

I’m trying to give Leta as much attention as I can, while transitioning her into big sisterhood. As I don’t produce breastmilk, Leta and I do a lot of stuff together and I tried to start the transition back when Heather first got pregnant that Leta and I would spend more time together playing, eating meals, getting ready for school, getting ready for bed, having stories, etc. Leta misses Heather greatly and we try to trade off some of the time, but I think given the recent mastitis scare, there’s only so much I’m willing to let Heather do before I turn into exactly what she does with me when I need to rest; a stern disciplinarian.

Getting up and out on time for Leta’s school run is brutal. We’ve got to make some adjustments. I don’t want to be (but already are/am) the parent who shows up late wearing a 3 day old t-shirt and bleary eyes to drop off his kid. Some work in this regard is needed.

It’s been nice to have Chuck back. He’s spent actual nights on the bed with us! This is going to sound absolutely insane, but I think Heather’s meds help Chuck stop worrying about Heather. He senses that she’s ok, that I’m not worried and the energy is really good for him so he sticks around. Coco loves her kennel. After Leta was born, Chuck wanted nothing to do with the kennel. Coco LOVES it. Puts herself to bed at night, even with the new early sleeping hours. However, I have to work with Coco about the notion of “infant” and “calm-your-shit-out-dog-we’ve-played-catch-for-45-minutes-and-your-tongue-is-scraping-the-ground-just-give-it-up-and-stop-leaping-around-like-there-isn’t-a-precious-eight-pound-baby-right-here-you-dozy-bollocksed-dog.” Coco’s getting there. Chuck has an innate ability to sense that Marlo is new and he needs to be very soft with her. One of the nights he left our room after we had fallen asleep and Marlo was really fussy (gas-related) Chuck came back in for moral support and stayed the rest of the night in bed with us. He’s a good little helper.

Thanks to all of you for your kind thoughts and wishes. I think we’re going to make it this time.

  • http://zipbagofbones.blogspot.com cncampbells

    This is such a great perspective – I’ve been wondering how things were going with you and Leta, even though Heather’s post eased my mind about how she was doing this time around. It sounds like you guys went into it with a plan of attack and are making little adjustments as needed, basically kicking butt all over the place! I’m so happy things are much better for you all with Marlo! Keep it up!

  • hilarychill

    I just had a baby in January and my husband and I co-sleep, too. It’s the best! It feels so natural and normal. I have since discovered that many other parents feel this way and there is a lot of good info out there on co-sleeping and attachment parenting (I consider myself AP lite). Thanks to you and Heather for the great blogs!

  • http://twitter.com/laynemarie laynemarie

    After reading Heather’s post about this post, and then going back and reading your “How I Do” post from 2007, I just had to come back and say this: One day you and Heather should write a book on the subject. I’d love to read more from both of your perspectives on the depression, the role it plays in your relationship, and how you both deal with it. Or something along those lines. Judging from the comments to yours and Heather’s posts about it, such a book would be extremely well-received and would help so many people. So yeah. Just wanted to throw that idea out there!

  • Cackle_Loud

    Reading this post strikes several chords with me – I have been in both your position, as the spouse of someone who suffers from severe depression, and in Heathers, as someone who battled PPD myself. While there are many writers out there discussing their own depressions, it’s harder to find the caregivers speaking freely about how this all affects them. And it sucks. Reading your words is like reading my mind.

    Thank you for sharing how you are coping this time around – the good thing about surviving one round with depression is that it makes you more able to deal with it the next time. And while I’d much prefer that it just went the fuck away already, I know that you are well-armed.

  • hl222

    Thank you Jon for being a model for husbands and fathers everywhere. I am married to a wonderful man, but I don’t think he understood my depression after the birth of #1, nor did he understand the anxiety and depression that I fell into prior to the birth of #2 when faced with another c-section. I so abhored the idea of another surgical delivery that I cried for a month before my second son was born, and I knew that my husband was scared, but his fear turned to anger and frustration instead of compassion and support. I don’t blame him, I think this is quite common for men who feel helpless. Thankfully, despite the unwanted surgery, I do feel that I experienced the second time around the rush of endorphins that women who deliver naturally feel. I was in love from the first moment and never shed a tear (quite different from the sadness, anxiety and insomnia I experienced for months with #1 until I found the right combo of meds). Only after it was clear that I was ok, that I did not seem to be experience PPD, did I realize how concerned and relieved my husband was.

    I will say this though, and maybe you can pass this along to Heather (do you get that often on this site?) It is hard for me to read birth stories for women who realized their ideal birth scenario. I am constantly in a position of saying to myself, “if only I did this or that.” but I can’t undo anything, and I am so grateful to have 2 beautiful boys. Still, I think about my deliveries almost every day and I am hoping that some day I won’t get sad or envious when I think of how they came in to the world instead of how they SHOULD have some into the world. In any case, I hope that when Heather does find the time to finish telling us about the birth of Marlo, I have the courage and selflessness to read it and share in her and your joy. Still, it is incredibly painful for those of us who were not able to have that same experience.

  • linuxchik

    love, love, LOVE these long- ass posts.

  • Virginia

    Amazing post! My hubby has stood by me during my PPD and we also have two beautiful daughters. It’s been three years since the second one and life is wonderful! Your honest and heartfelt words mean a lot to so many people. Thank you and Heather for giving a voice to all of us who have made the journey through PPD.

  • appletablepenny

    Were my husband to blog, I think he would write something similar. I’ll try to get him to read this, as I think it will resonate with him. We’re talking about baby number 2 now and I know we are having the same concerns.

  • kathleen

    Wow! I’d really like to have sex with you.

    In truth, your words are thrilling and for many women you are hot in only the very best of ways.

  • http://prostokvasha.com/ daria

    I think you’ll make it, too. Also, sweet use of “tutelage”.

  • jeorg

    i am so happy. i knew that you (both of you) would be able to handle this the second time around. i know that the first time was not that easy but to be honest, i think you all handled it very well and did what was right for you and your family.

    both the kids are beautiful.

  • Lara

    As someone who also deals with severe depression (my own) and has an incredibly intense child (who came out of the womb like that and is now exhibiting signs of depression himself at the age of 8), I admire both yours and Heather’s courage in going for it. I couldn’t do it as I was too paralyzed by the fear of 1) losing my shit again after giving birth and 2) having another child like my son. As much as I love him and would gladly lay down my life for him, I don’t believe I have the fortitude to go through that again.

    Great job on taking care of yourselves this time around. I wish you nothing but joy and grand adventures!

    • UglyGirl

      Lara, I have two things to tell you about your son. First, I’m sorry, because you and he have a long road ahead of you, as I’m sure you know. Second, I hope you realize how much of a blessing that curse is. Your boy will see the world in an intense and powerful way with the purity of a child.

      Always try to help him. Never try to change him.

  • Lynn

    Jon, did you ever get to the point where you felt you had enough and you wanted to give up and you told her so? I know that is a personal question it is just that I have been going through agoraphobia the last few months. Not being able to leave the house. And the husband flipped out on me today because he says he is losing patience. Did you ever get to that point? And if so how did you get past it?

    Thanks!
    marie lynn

  • http://eleanorstrousers.wordpress.com/ eleanorstrousers.wordpress.com/

    What a great post. I’ve been wondering how things have been from your end this time around. Thank you for sharing this. I can only hope that one day I can find someone as supportive.

  • http://aredeaf.blogspot.com Coelecanth

    Thank you Jon.

    As the father of a two year old who came into the world in an overly dramatic way I’ve been terrified of having another child. I was warned in a parenting class that often it’s the father who’s most worried about having a second baby. You see, we aren’t flooded with all the yummy endorphins and hormones that the mother gets after giving birth. We tend to remember the scary, hard bits more clearly. Or so I was told, and that certainly has been my experience.

    I am in awe of your strength in the face of such a traumatic first birth. I applaud your determination to do what is right and your willingness to change, adapt and get help as needed. To me this is what a man, a real man, does. Gone are the days where we have to constantly guard against tangible external threats to our families. Bears and lions no longer roam outside our dwellings. No, the dangers we face often come from within. Anyone who dismisses depression and anxiety as real threats to the safety of those we love have never experienced what full-on depression is like. It truly is a predator to be struggled against with all of our resources.

    I also applaud your willingness to share your experience. If anyone really wonders why it is we’re compelled to keep returning to follow the life of a stranger it is this: shared pain is lessened and shared joy is increased. By that sharing both parties are made stronger; the world is made a better place. Those who trivialize blogs such as this, where one finds raw, honest posts like the one above fail to understand this fact about humanity. Pity them.

    So I thank you again Jon. All the best of everything to you and yours.

  • Le Fiffre

    Great post, Jon. I don’t know how you do it, but it’s easy to see why. My best to you four.

  • http://jenniferslanguishing.blogspot.com/ JenniferLoy

    You give me hope that one day we might be able to have another child. PTSD is exactly what my husband has from the first one, almost 4 years ago now. I hadn’t thought of it as PTSD before, but that’s it exactly. Thank you for sharing this.

  • mmblum

    Thank you so much for this post. I was directed here by Heather’s post, and I’m so glad to read your words. I’m mom to a 4.5 y.o. and a 4 month old (both girls), so your honest discussion about the realities of the job hits me in a fresh, raw, real place. I am lucky that I have not had to fight the same biological fight that Heather has faced, but even without ppd (I’m not afraid to admit that) THIS IS SCARY AS HELL, even the second time around. More than anything, I am grateful for your post because it resonated for me in a very particular way: it gave me a glimpse of where my husband’s thoughts and feelings are right now. My beloved, darling, amazing partner who spends his days working and his evenings being JUST WHAT I NEEDED. I don’t get to hear a lot about his state of being right now, and this was a good reminder to CHANGE.THAT.NOW.

    Thank you for your honesty, and thanks to all the dads who work those middle of the night shifts. You’d be shocked to learn how rare you are. You should be very proud – of your wife, your lovely girls, and yourself.

  • http://justicegirl.wordpress.com justicegirl

    My husband had very similar feelings about our second pregnancy – that he was worried about my survival, as well as his own. It was tough, but we made it, and every week it gets a little easier. It’s amazing what a difference sleep can make – our little one is just starting to sleep through the night – it will come for Marlo soon. Enjoy the little-stage as much as you possibly can – it disappears way too fast.

  • vakadesign

    Jon, as one of the many women who ended up hospitalized with postpartum depression, I’ve been rooting for your family with my fingers crossed. I’m so glad for Heather that she hasn’t descended into that hell again, but I’m so glad for you, too.

    So many fathers don’t feel they have the right to be devastated by watching something devastating happening to their wives, even though they are so incredibly effected by it. Thank you for a sensitive, thoughtful take on your experience.

  • http://twerpsworld.blogspot.com MrsMFDC

    I’m blaming Daddy Brain, but you forgot to tag Leta for this post. Heh heh!

    I was actually wondering if you or Heather would consider discussing what it’s like to parent a highly sensitive, highly intelligent, keenly observant child.

    I suspect my nature was similar to Leta’s as a young child and it has greatly impacted my adult life. I’m happier than I have ever been, but I’ve had to work hard at not internalizing, you know, everything. I’m just curious how you stay connected to Leta and how you decide what she’s ready for, etc., just in case I have one like me!

  • UglyGirl

    I would imagine that you’re feeling blessed by all of your supporters, and would have to spend months thanking everybody if they came by your house one by one. That’s the great part about opening up your life to the world, the sympathizers, the understanding listeners, the loyal fans who will always remind you that you are not alone.

    But you and Heather kind of do that for me, Jon. I know the depression, the cruel rhythms of cyclothymia, the anxiety that somehow manages to undermine one and convince us that nothing will ever be OK again. Even in a neutral point in my life, remembering those feelings makes me want to cry.

    It’s not just the mental illness issues though, not exactly. It’s seeing that I’m not crazy for wanting a child, that I could possibly have one or two or a million without ruining their or my lives. The aching pain of a young woman starting her maternal yearnings combines with my eternal fear that it is not the world that is wrong, just me.

    I don’t think I can ever really explain to you how much it means to me that you let me into your life like this, especially at this point in time. I just want you to know that you give me hope that one day I could be a good mother.

    Give Chuck and The Crackhead my best.

  • gwamma

    Hey Jon,

    Is it Heather’s haircut or the fact that she is #26 on forbes or is she just getting more beautiful everyday?

    I loved your thoughts on men needing to LISTEN, you have to admit it is a little far out there!

    Thanks for EVERYTHING you do for my family.

    Love,

    Gwamma :)

  • http://escapekey.blogspot.com/ escapekey.blogspot.com/

    sounds like you guys are better prepared this go round which is a relief to hear. congratulations :)

  • Sarah

    Wow Jon .. I just read this as I cannot get Dooce at work (social networking tag on her blog) and wanted to see how you both were!

    It’s a beautiful post .. straight from the heart. You don’t know me from a hole in the wall, but wow, I’m proud of you! You are definately an ‘evolved’ baby-man! My husband was like you .. soooo afraid to have another child. Therefore we have one, my son it 8 .. and we love him of course dearly. But I do sense that you’ve given a bit more of yourself, and given-in to Heather .. even in this fragile state she had been in with Leta. Kudos to you!

    Hoping the sleep comes soon .. it’s always difficult, and I know that Heather must be much better off with you sharing the up at night duties. Hang in there, through the difficult times .. you’re doing a great job!

    oh and more pics of both your kids, please?!?! :) :)