• http://faydean.typepad.com faydean

    A rebuttal:

    http://​www​.youtube​.com/​w​a​t​c​h​?​v​=​z​-​1​Z​f​F​B​M​f​8​s​&​a​m​p​;​f​e​a​t​u​r​e​=​r​elated

    I don’t want to hear how we’re in the tank for a conservative think tank either Jon. Where else would I get my side’s points after all?? Surely not from your side. Obama is not a doctor and I don’t care how many he’s talked to, he can’t make these kinds of sweeping calls on how people get treated in medicine. It is absolutely dangerous to have the government ever in these kinds of issues. Ever.

    • ebarone

      Below is your Private Healthcare in action.

      http://​www​.youtube​.com/​w​a​t​c​h​?​v​=​v​K​I​9​b​e55N00

      Did you watch Michael Moore’s Sicko?

      Government run Healthcare is still cheaper on a per capita basis then private. Private healthcare as it stands in the USA is a business run for profit and it only makes a profit if it denies services to the insured and when they deny to insure people based on their past health. You can argue all you want, but healthcare should be universal for all citizens from birth in a free society.

      An excerpt from THE OATH OF MAIMONIDES

      “The eternal providence has appointed me to watch over the life and health of Thy creatures. May the love for my art actuate me at all time; may neither avarice nor miserliness, nor thirst for glory or for a great reputation engage my mind; for the enemies of truth and philanthropy could easily deceive me and make me forgetful of my lofty aim of doing good to Thy children.”

    • blurb

      Obama isn’t writing the legislation.

      And you, my dear “faydean”, are a liar.

      • faydean

        DELETED.

    • TheNephew

      Well Faydean, don’t tell veterans or the elderly that because Medicare and VA benefits are both *Shutter* government run. BUT HEY it is dangerous to have the government in these kinds of issues.

      Because when government announced, back in the 60’s that it was going to provide for individuals through Medicare and Medicaid, the dangers nearly collapsed society. Oh wait, they didn’t.

      OR like when the government decided to reward veterans for their service by giving them some of the best medical benefits on the planet. When the government did that the dangers leaped from the shadows and turned us into commies. Oh wait, that didn’t happen either.

      It is NOT dangerous to have the government in these kinds of affairs, in fact, the government is specifically required to be involved in these kinds of issues

      The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States. U.S. Const. Article I Section 8, sub section 1.

      Seems to me the founding fathers felt it was the government’s DUTY to provide for the general welfare. That means failure to provide for the general welfare is a violation of our representative’s and senator’s responsibilities. If you go to the constitutional convention it was clear that the government was supposed to tackle exactly these kinds of issues Faydean.

      You can have your feelings about the government, but our lodestone document, the US Constitution disagrees with you.

  • krgosselin

    This article is really awesome, thanks for the link.

    My thinking on this whole deal boils down to this: we’re not doing it well enough. Not even close. I’m female — that drop in survival rates for breast cancer and cervical cancer are inexcusable. The life expectancy is inexcusable. The cost is inexcusable. All of it. The government needs to step in and create competition, because as you have discussed previously, the private healthcare industry simply isn’t doing that.

    • http://blurbomat.com blurb

      Agreed. Now if we can get some rational town halls going, that would be a lovely start to fixing the bullshit brought on by crazy people.

      • nobody

        The unions are organizing to help with this, and the others are being canceled, so this should get fixed real soon.

        I think it’s time to start wondering whether the Congressional leadership will feel it’s worth losing the midterm to jam a lot of hard-to-reverse entitlements for their constituencies into law, and whether the President will go along with them. If you think these meetings are ugly, wait until you see what happens if the Democrats go down that road.

    • nobody

      It isn’t uncommon for health indicators to move around due to measurement effects. Is the breast cancer figure driven by deterioration in care, or by earlier detection of disease — which probably improves care but does start the clock earlier on the five year survival experience. Figures could also be changed by identification of previously unmeasured cases, or changes in the attribution of deaths to the disease.

      A citation of a regression in health outcomes as indicator of systemic problems that doesn’t address such problems is quite suspect. It makes no sense that we’d get worse at treating breast cancer, and if we were we’d certainly be hearing about it. I don’t know what’s going on with the figures, but there are some obvious questions to be asked before drawing conclusions from such a figure .