Why I Write So Much Against Fringe Conservatives

I feel like I’ve done disservice to regular readers who may know of my home state of Utah as a “red” state, but might not be aware of just how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Prologue
In my high school years, there was a requirement to take one of two courses. One was called “World Problems” and I forget what the other choice was because I signed up for World Problems. It was taught by a man by the name of Amos Musser. He was a fixture at the high school. My older brother had taken the same class from Mr. Musser and we had several arguments at the dinner table based on information my brother would bring home from the class. My father jokingly referred to the class as “Amos Musser’s World Problems” and in retrospect wasn’t far off.

I bring up Amos Musser because the class was a prep course for what Glenn Beck is doing now, according to this article on Talking Points Memo referencing this piece on Salon.com.

Of note:

Beck has created a massive meet-up for the disaffected, paranoid Palin-ite “death panel” wing of the GOP, those ideologues most susceptible to conspiracy theories and prone to latch on to eccentric distortions of fact in the name of opposing “socialism.” In that, they are true disciples of the late W. Cleon Skousen, Beck’s favorite writer and the author of the bible of the 9/12 movement, “The 5,000 Year Leap.” A once-famous anti-communist “historian,” Skousen was too extreme even for the conservative activists of the Goldwater era, but Glenn Beck has now rescued him from the remainder pile of history, and introduced him to a receptive new audience.

and:

What has Beck been pushing on his legions? “Leap,” first published in 1981, is a heavily illustrated and factually challenged attempt to explain American history through an unspoken lens of Mormon theology. As such, it is an early entry in the ongoing attempt by the religious right to rewrite history. Fundamentalists want to define the United States as a Christian nation rather than a secular republic, and recasting the Founding Fathers as devout Christians guided by the Bible rather than deists inspired by the French and English philosophers. “Leap” argues that the U.S. Constitution is a godly document above all else, based on natural law, and owes more to the Old and New Testaments than to the secular and radical spirit of the Enlightenment. It lists 28 fundamental beliefs — based on the sayings and writings of Moses, Jesus, Cicero, John Locke, Montesquieu and Adam Smith — that Skousen says have resulted in more God-directed progress than was achieved in the previous 5,000 years of every other civilization combined.

Wherein it Gets Personal
What do Glenn Beck and Cleon Skousen have to do with me and Mr. Musser? Musser taught extensively from Skousen’s works, and some of what Skousen espouses was echoed on Sunday (at least it was in my small town growing up as well as my years in Provo, Utah); that the U.S. Founding Fathers were all Christian and devout and “inspired by God” in the same way Mormon prophets are regarded.

This isn’t meant to be a dig against Mormonism, but a dig against the kind of revisionist thinking that permeates conservative talking points heard at demonstrations once Sarah Palin’s brand of crazy conservative was unleashed the summer of 2008. It should be noted that the Salon article mentions:

Before he died in 2006 at the age of 92, Skousen’s own Mormon church publicly distanced itself from the foundation that Skousen founded and that has published previous editions of “The 5,000 Year Leap.”

In my high school course of “world problems,” we were required to do a book report from a reading list that included Skousen’s Naked Communist. As you might imagine, the conspiracy theories and crazy ran super deep. We were indoctrinated with “red scare” filmstrips and paranoid delusions about the coming communist takeover of the United States. Apocalytpic demise! Millenial destruction! It was very dramatic.

I learned of Freemasons, Adam Weishaupt (credited with the quote “the end justifies the means” which in modern politics is de rigeur; cf. Watergate, Nixon, Cheney, torture, warrantless wiretapping, suspension of Habeas Corpus, etc.), Adam Smith, the Tri-lateral Commission (Musser would have loved this story and this one), the New World Order, and so on. The class was an ultra-conservative/libertarian/fringe conspiracy wet dream. Mr. Musser had a few massive black binders that had typewritten outlines and references that we were “more than welcome to look at to verify his sources.” Sources that he typed on pieces of paper. He drolly referred to his binders as his “Big Black Books” and made a show of locking in his desk. If only the KGB knew. What I would have given for Wikipedia in those days. I bought into it for awhile until I started to see a strange pattern that didn’t come into focus until I read 1984. The very language that the nutjobs were using to describe the foundation of their thought; the pillars of their case and the language used to tie it Christianity (which Skousen is a master of) is embedded in Mormon theology. So, while crazy Adam Weihaupt was forming the illuminati to turn the world into a giant communist state or some other new world order, prominent conservatives used his very notion of “ends justifying the means” to perpetrate some of the most heinous abuses of power in our lifetime. We need only look to Cheney as the very embodiment of recreating, counter to Weishaupt’s tenets, a more monarchial presidential set of powers. Embodied by Nixons famous, “If the president does it, it’s not against the law.”

So much of my young life was surrounded by devout Mormons, some of whom bought into Skousen’s more preposterous notions (e.g., recasting the U.S. founding fathers as Christians). Some of those people were Sunday School teachers, advisors and neighbors. Even today, the pervasiveness of these ideas runs deep in most Mormon conservative thinking. The following is from Chris Cannon’s Amazon review of Skousen’s The Five Thousand Year Leap:

The fight for the soul of our country is real! Every patriotic American, young and old, should read this book! –Chris Cannon, US House of Representatives, 1997-2009

Read Cannon’s “review” here.

It should be noted that both Beck and Cannon are practicing Mormons.

In Modern Times
The problem I have with the current language at demonstrations and the bipolar rants of the conservative moron entertainers is that they co-opt language, revise it’s meaning and throw it back out into the public, smearing their opponents with the tactic that the words they use actually mean, but the weak-minded followers model and shout at things like healthcare reform townhalls and the 9/12 astroturfed demonstration last Saturday in Washington D.C. Skousen himself used the same tactics (quoted from the Salon piece):

Skousen laid low for much of the ’60s. But he reemerged at the end of the decade peddling a new and improved conspiracy that merged left with right: the global capitalist mega-plot of the “dynastic rich.” Families like the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, Skousen now believed, used left forces — from Ho Chi Minh to the American civil rights movement — to serve their own power.

Mr. Musser jumped all over that conspiracy, teaching it as fact for years in classes in a public high school in northern Utah.

To be fair, the Mormon scholarly journal Dialogue asked scholars to research Skousen’s claims. Here’s what they wrote in 1971:

“Skousen’s personal position,” wrote a dismayed Quigley, “seems to me perilously close to the ‘exclusive uniformity’ which I see in Nazism and in the Radical Right in this country. In fact, his position has echoes of the original Nazi 25-point plan.”

So here we are. Glenn Beck and the others talking about feeling like we did that day after 9/11, by inspiring divisiveness, cynicism and fucking with the very notion of what words mean. Obama is the scary “racist” “fascist” “socialist” “communist” that is going to kill grandma. Yet one of Glenn Beck’s heroes was found, by Mormons of all people, to be propagating thought that closely resembles the philosophical underpinnings of Nazism.

It’s time to call it. Smart people need to stand up and call this bullshit what it is: toxic waste hurled out across the public airwaves as pseudo-intellect and deep care for this great country. It’s dangerous. And it’s time to drop it.

Finally, 2008 GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney (also Mormon) is a fan of Skousen. Read all about it in this National Review Online piece. It starts in the fourth paragraph.

In that same National Review piece is this nugget (the Salon piece mentions this as well):

As police chief of Salt Lake City, Skousen was such a law-and-order man he lost his job in 1960 after raiding a friendly card game that happened to include the mayor. On his way out the door, the mayor called Skousen “an incipient Hitler” and said that Skousen “ran the police department in exactly the same manner as the Communists in Russia operate their government.”

Which is kind of funny until you realize that Glenn Beck is a popular guy right now.

Epilogue
During my time at BYU, I took one of two required Book of Mormon courses from Ezra Taft Benson’s (then president and prophet of the LDS church) son, Reed. Reed was a funny guy until he started equating conservative talking points to Mormon scripture. Race was a big part of it. Strong military. White people should control federal government. Capital punishment is ordained of God. Crazy stuff. I got a B. I felt like I was in Mr. Musser’s class again, only this time it was more deeply wrapped in religion. The more I thought about it, the more uncomfortable I was that no one, including me, called him on any of this.

A controversy of that time was the ailing health of Ezra Taft Benson and his role as “prophet, seer and revelator” of the Mormon church. I recall watching a satellite broadcast of a birthday celebration of Benson and clearly seeing that he was out of it. President Benson barely knew where he was and his counsellors, Thomas Monsen and Gordon Hinckley were at his side, directing him to the microphone and keeping him on message, standing next to him the whole time, which is rare in LDS leadership speeches/sermons/talks. It was a weird thing to watch as the LDS church had been, up to that time, pretty tight with its PR efforts. A short time after this broadcast, Benson’s grandson Steve Benson called into question the LDS leadership’s veracity claiming that Ezra Taft Benson could in any way be coherent enough to receive anything resembling divine revelation, much less run an organization like the LDS Church. Steve Benson is no longer LDS. He also has an extremely well-researched and sourced article talking about Skousen here (via the National Review piece linked above).

So yeah. I’m tired of the bullshit.

  • http://staynalive.com/ staynalive.com/

    As a devout Mormon (and fellow Utah-based tech blogger) also sick of the antics of Beck and others I agreed with you up until you started sharing your feelings of the Leadership of the Mormon church. But that aside, I agree, the culture here in Utah especially (I grew up in Houston, TX but now live in Utah where my wife grew up) lends itself to such almost Theocratic leadership in government. I am blown away at those that simply will listen and believe what Beck, Canon, Romney, or others are saying simply because they’re Mormon.

    But, having grown up in the South it goes further. Perhaps a good majority of the United States will put Christianity and Religion (note that I do not say Faith because they are different – one is a belief and practice, the other is a culture) ahead of their nation and government. If they have a leader, like Beck or Romney or Palin or others that has significant traction like this, “leads their cause” by using religion and Christianity as a Crux (no pun intended), they’ll follow without even trying to put reason to what it is they’re following. Anyone who follows God in their opinion doesn’t need a source to prove they’re right.

    Frankly, I liked Beck when he was calling out Bush, but at the same time calling out the Liberal politicians as well. I don’t like what he’s doing now, nor do I like what the other Conservatives of his type are doing either (and the majority of them are not Mormon).

    I agree, it’s scary, unpatriotic, not even what his Faith teaches him (he is *definitely* not representing the views of all Mormons, nor was Skousen, nor are they representing the view of all Mormon leadership). Beck has gone beyond extreme, and, as a Conservative Mormon, I’m embarrassed, sad, and ashamed that this is what “being a Conservative” has become. It’s not what I grew up with, but then again I didn’t live in Utah.

  • http://staynalive.com/ staynalive.com/

    BTW, my name is Jesse Stay – not sure why it’s not importing my name from my OpenID login. I’d love to meet some time since we’re not far from each other.

  • http://coffeejitters.blogspot.com coffeejitters

    thank you for writing this.

  • http://emailtoid.net/i/f134e422/1e39ab20/ emailtoid.net/i/f134e422/…

    Jon, you have a lifetime of material to tap. I only lived in Salt Lake for 20 excruciating years, but each day there drove me further left in my political leanings.

    I doubt that most people who read your blog who haven’t lived in Utah realize just how much of a microcosm of the way this country is headed is illustrated by the state legislature and politics there. You should take the time to offer some comments on that subject. I suggest focusing on moderate Utah Republicans such as Gayle Ruzicka, Morris Swapp, and everyone’s fave, Chris Buttars.

    I successfully escaped from the Denied Territories of Utah in 2008.

  • steve-o

    John, you and I don’t always agree on how to solve the problems of the nation but I appreciate you sharing what you believe.

    I am conservative but I don’t find myself in anyway, shape or form enticed by Beck and the other conservative talk show radio hosts. I occassionally listen to Hannity but it’s more so I can bitch about how stupid he is later on. In all reality, historically, I would have been a democrat back in the day (like in the 17-1800s).

    I think the big issue is that the problem you’ve just described is on both sides of the fence. On the right, you’ve got people believing that there is a huge conspiracy (and I’ll admit, some of it does seem very scary) but on the left the masses just seem numb.

    The issue with our country is that no one bothers to educate themselves on anything that has to do with history or even with our founding document.

  • MaryFrances

    Thanks for this, Jon.

    I always enjoy your posts for how well-thought out and well-researched they are. So much of what I read is repetitive, so it’s nice to find someone who is capable of a.) being rational and b.) actually taking the time to bring something new and enlightening to the conversation.

  • MaryFrances

    Also, you have probably already seen this, but this is what we’re currently dealing with in Virginia:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/31/AR2009083103045.html

    McDonnell has been leading in the polls pretty much since his nomination. I realize that this was written back in 1989, when he was a student, but he was 34 years old. This is not some piece he offhandedly wrote for a college newspaper. Whether or not he still find working women to be a “detriment” to society seems irrelevant to me – if this is the kind of thinking this man found appealing at any time, I’m nervous.

  • Amellah

    I happen to agree with and appreciate what you have to say about politics on your website. I think the current atmosphere is very frightening. In this paragraph:

    It’s time to call it. Smart people need to stand up and call this bullshit what it is: toxic waste hurled out across the public airwaves as pseudo-intellect and deep care for this great country. It’s dangerous. And it’s time to drop it.

    You pretty much say something that really struck home. Why aren’t more liberals or even middle of the road folks being more vocal about this wave of hate and bad information and standing up to say STOP!

    You are able to link to so many great resources and additional information on the web I appreciate your time and energy. Keep up the good fight!

  • http://staynalive.com/ staynalive.com/

    Amellah, it’s not just liberals that disagree with it – it’s conservatives too (I’m one of those). Beck and others are driving a style of radical conservativism that is just plain dangerous. I’ve spoken out numerous times about it on my blog, but then again I’m not a political blog so people don’t come to me for that type of stuff.

  • http://passion.squirrelism.net/ natalija

    Thank you so, so, so much for this writing. Being in contact with a small Mormon community in Canada and not being Mormon, when dealing with my boyfriend’s Mormon mother and her stranger views regarding Mormonism and how it ties into history, I’m never quite sure what we’re (my boyfriend and I) dealing with that’s limited to her or is something a lot of… politically vulnerable people are buying into.

    It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one who had to hear crazed rantings talking about how Skousen has it all right and everyone’s a communist.

    Just curiously (since both my boyfriend and I wonder whether or not she’s the only one to believe this tidbit): has anybody Mormon ever told you that the Sasquatch lives and that he’s actually Cain? Because only she and one other person believe it where I am (which is a community of maybe… fifteen practicing Mormon families).

    • krgosselin

      “Politically vulnerable”…that’s probably the best phrase I’ve heard in a while. Unfortunately, a lot of those same individuals also suffer from vulnerabilities in their ability to reason. I have no problem with any viewpoint whatsoever, so long as said viewpoint is supported by fact and logic. And it’s scary how so many people aren’t so picky.

      Jon, great article. I’m from the godforsaken blue state of Connecticut (we have gay marriage, but liquor stores are closed at 9 PM….wtf???) and have but a few Mormon acquaintances, so I’m largely out of touch with this whole thing. I’ve never agreed with most of Romney’s viewpoints, but I never took issue with him being Mormon. You point out some very important stuff about what he believes, that has much bigger implications than mandating funny underwear or whatever else the more closeminded people I know believe. As usual, kudos on the well-thought and well-documented post.

      FWIW, I share a smallish office with a Crazy Republican and a Mostly Not Crazy Republican (who happens to be Mormon, oddly enough). I’m a Raging Liberal in every sense of the word, it makes for an interesting work environment.

  • Evie

    I can stand up and scream “bullshit” but no one will hear. So how do I make my voice loud enough to be heard over Glenn Beck’s? I can’t not watch him any more than I already do. I can’t undo decades of underfunded education and make my neighbors smart enough to smell it for themselves. I can’t undo the political messages they get wrapped in their religion on Sunday mornings. Having breasts, I can’t even get the pastor to listen to me when I run into him in the market. What can I do to stop this craziness? I don’t have any credibility with any of the ultra-conservatives around me to work on an individual level and I don’t have any group sway so please help me understand what I can do.

    • http://blurbomat.com blurb

      It starts with friends and family. It’s very difficult to have calm discussions about this stuff, but when it comes up, I try to share in productive ways how the language is divisive, how the theories have been disproved, how the fringe has taken over the conservative movement and how large corporations are more than happy to make money from it. It’s one thing to have an opinion about issues or have an ideology that less government is a good thing. It’s quite another to promote anti-intellectual scenarios using double-speak and chicanery.

    • nobody

      It rather sounds to me like blurb’s “education” was overfunded.

  • nobody

    Thank you. You have excellent cause for suspicion. I’d be pissed off, too.

    I will think on this before replying.

    But please understand that guys like Skousen are really apart from mainstream conservatism. I’ve never heard of him. Notice the asbestos glove handling York gives his writing. You should remember that Bill Buckley made his bones by taking down down the John Birch society. Christian conservatives are generally evangelical Protestants, not a group much taken with Mormon theology. Beck is a relatively recent player, and not really regarded as a conservative leader, which isn’t to say he doesn’t have a following. I know zero about Skousen or his writings, but I suspect that most agreements between his adherents and mainstream conservatives are largely superficial, and limited to binary responses to particular questions of the day.

    • nobody

      It’s Hemingway, not York, who wrote the NR piece I referred to above. Sorry.

  • chacha

    Well, it’s certainly impressive that as a teenager you were able to recognize the layer upon layer of horseshit you were being fed. It’s commendable that you had the ability to think freely.

    Anyway, yes, it is just a huge pile of stinky monkey dung, the whole lot of it. But the reality is we can stand up and call it what it is but these people will not listen. It’s like talking to a wall, except the wall has some recorded set of messages it spews out that don’t change no matter what you say. These people that believe these things don’t *hear* anything when you talk to them. They just wait for some blank airspace and spew out some more unrelated, insane junk. It’s what happens at these health care town halls. A bunch of assholes talking at each other, and when they here a few key phrases (“socialism”, “czar”, “constitution”) they cheer and woop – like a pavlovian response.

    Feh. I am tired of it all.

    • nobody

      There are always more listeners than talkers. And there are more thinkers among them than you know. Don’t confuse conviction of the fanatics, or even failure to win explicit agreement from the audience, with loss of the argument.

      • http://blurbomat.com blurb

        My experience is to listen first, then counter gently. It’s so fraught when the family members you love so much have these extremist views.

        No one likes being told they are wrong. Me included. However, if I’m persuaded, then I’ll modify my views. This is the danger of fundamentalism, regardless of ideology. We must converse with each other, sans placards and signs.

    • http://blurbomat.com blurb

      This is the responsibility of smart people, regardless of ideology. It’s important to have smart people question prevailing notions and views. It raises the level of discourse.

      It’s exhausting. It’s fraught with emotions, especially those of our close family and friends, but we must stand up for rational, enlightened conversation. If you believe in God, certainly he/she/it created us with minds to think and reason. I always start there (some people think I’m crazy to do it) and go up.

  • http://twitter.com/laynemarie laynemarie

    GREAT POST! I’m giving you a hypothetical standing ovation with lots of hoots and hollers. Thank you for using your platform to say ENOUGH WITH THE BULLSHIT. And thank you for putting the time into this well-written piece.

    Oh, and I consider myself a libertarian (note the lowercase “L”), albeit a very liberal one. I believe strongly in nationalized health care (as contradictory as that may seem–I just think health care is one of the few things free markets and capitalism do not mix well with).

    Also, I feel #tlot morons are giving me a bad name. They annoy the shit out of me. See: http://twitter.com/laynemarie/status/2785956662

  • Mandy

    Fascinating stuff blurb. Have you read this about the new Time article out on Beck? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/time-cover-on-beck-mutila_b_289890.html

  • http://emailtoid.net/i/f841e6c4/ae378825/ emailtoid.net/i/f841e6c4/…

    Holy. Shit. My husband and I had a variant of this conversion on Sunday. I see Glenn Beck tout his “Eternal Principles”, I see him basically proclaiming that the apocalypse is nigh, I see him cry and more or less bear testimony of the “truthfullness” of the United States; and it feels just like testimony meeting.

    We have very recently decided that we can’t take it any more. Our families know nothing of this yet. I couldn’t handle the call to promote the prohibition on gay marriage, I couldn’t take it when people bore testimony of how the Founding Fathers were “inspired men”. (these are only some of the myriad reasons we’re out)

    Although my previous paragraph is a little off topic I mention it because watching Glenn Beck perform on a national stage makes it feel like the airing of so much dirty laundry. This is really how so many people in rural, Mormon, Utah behave on at least a weekly basis. And while I used to just roll my eyes at church, to see it on television makes me cringe.

    During our conversation Sunday I even busted out my copy of 1984 and we read the appendix essay about Newsspeak. Scary shit. And it is all over Mormonism too. Slate had a couple of articles about Beck, which you may have already read, that really drove this point home to me:

    http://www.slate.com/id/2217903/

    http://www.slate.com/id/2228208/

    I’ve been wondering when someone was going to point out the parallels between Beck’s schtick and mormon apocalyptic paranoia.

  • angela

    It wasn’t until I read this post that I really figure out what the hell was going on with my in-laws. They’re former Mormon converts (which is a great story in and of itself) and devoted followers of Glenn Beck. They quote that man ad nauseam – have for years now – as if he has the singular vision of the world with a red phone dialed into God. They call him “Glenn” – like they know him personally.

    Dinners are an exercise in tolerating the ravings of paranoid delusion (death panels! conspiracy theories!), vitriolic character assignation, and binary judgments of right/wrong in what should be far more nuanced discussions. Will have to listen for this guy Skousen to appear in their diatribes.

    Mostly I bite my tongue and drink (a lot) of wine during dinner, hoping they become distracted by something else and move on to another topic. I don’t even argue – you can’t reason with crazy.

    I will continue to delight in the fact that it is their sad lot in life to have a liberal vegetarian for a daughter-in-law and, unsurprisingly, an atheist as a son.

  • stephen

    Jon, I attended high school over in Wells, NV. Similar stuff happenned. I apologize for dropping our converstional thread some weeks ago about health care. Stuff happened. Death. Cancer mestastasis, Drug intervention, business economics, etc. I’ve been mostly gone and slightly preoccupied. I hope you don’t mind if i slowly try to re-integrate myself back into rational discussions here. steve

  • http://aredeaf.blogspot.com Coelecanth

    I’ve been following your posts about healthcare reform with a sort of detached bewilderment. I’m a Canadian now living in Australia so I really can’t understand what it must be like to not know if you’re healthcare will be there when you need it.

    Anyway, I’m afraid that your call to arms on the nuttiness of the far right fringe elements is not going to have much effect. You see, anyone, like your dear Nobody, who is educated and logical can see through the Beck’s et al. Those that can’t see through them are unlikely to change because they’re unaware of their shortcomings. It’s called the Dunning-Kruger effect.

    There’s an excellent vid about it on Youtube:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyOHJa5Vj5Y

    Anyway, thanks for the interesting posts and good luck.

    • nobody

      I have a lot of experience arguing with nuts, right wing and left. My experience is that a really good answer doesn’t change their mind, but it does slow them down.

  • mtd

    I think smart people can combat this wave of vitriol and ignorance both by having rational conversations as well as by using satire to demonstrate the ridiculousness of the lunatic fringe in a (hopefully) entertaining manner.

    Would be interested in your response to these attempts:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrFs942TJKA

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zup9_aOIHP0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcCjCie5r2E

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDC9auZeHtM

    Best,

    MTD

  • http://stampinwhenican.blogspot.com/ Allison

    Very interesting read (as one with no familiarity with the subject)! I thought of you today when I read this article in the Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200909/health-care

    (Sorry if it’s a redundant add to your reading list! I didn’t agree with all his conclusions but I found the stats eye-opening!)

  • http://www.the-brown-dog-riots.blogspot.com EdwinAllen

    It seems that this guy Skousen’s aims, if they weren’t entirely opportunistic, were essentially at least partly eschatological, which is way scary. From his list of Communist goals, it would seem that the goals of patriotic Americans would then be not only nuclear proliferation but also nuclear aggression, among other things.

    I know nothing but the skeletal outlines of Mormon theology, but we are talking about a Christian sect here. I just don’t see how you square this stuff with the teachings of Christ.

    Tolerance, love, care for the meek and less fortunate, these were what Jesus was all about, and I just don’t get how you get from that to this. I mean I do get it. I know my history and all, but at the same time I don’t.

    For myself, I grew up in the Quaker church, which has almost no dogma and very little in the way of a church hierarchy. Still, for many years I never felt comfortable with the language of Christianity because of its association with this kind of hatred and intolerance.

    It’s only very recently that I’ve decided that it’s time for me to take back the language and ideas of Christianity from fundamentalism. And I think that’s a place that this conversation has to occur. Good Christians everywhere need to realize that the teachings of Christ go way beyond hot button topics like abortion, and certainly Christ’s core teaching of tolerance and love in fact contradict the evangelical position on homosexuality. Poverty, inequality, intolerance, prejudice, these were what Jesus was clearly most concerned about. It’s time for the faith to return to its true roots in the actual words of Christ.

    Sorry to rant, can’t always help myself. Thanks for all the links and research and clear articulation. I’ve enjoyed following yr discussions of health care here. By the way, a great book about the role of god in the history and founding of this country is Jon Meacham’s American Gospel. Good, honest history. Anyway, keep fighting the good fight.

  • http://ecoecoamerica.blogspot.com/ southerngirl

    Interstin
    g and informative post, Jon. Did not know Beck was a Mormon and using that background for his rants. Just thought he was batshit insane.

  • larry ziegler

    I FULLY AGREE

  • http://blog.meganhalpern.com mnmnj

    I am very hopeful to see several thoughtful conservatives agree with you here. I have some conservative relatives who are as alarmed by the crazytalk as I am, and other relatives who are just batshit insane. Since the crazy rightwingers in my life outnumber the sane conservatives — people who see very different ways of achieving the same sort of goals– I had lost hope we would ever hear the end of Limbaugh and Beck. Hopefully they’ve jumped the shark, and it’s only a matter of time before the rest of the Republican party decides to head for saner shores.