July 20th, 2003
Here comes the scandal.
How long until it crosses the Atlantic? o
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Will one lie take down two administrations?
Given President Moron’s Teflon coating that’s protected him this far (especially given the fact that the American public has perpetuated the need to just attack without asking the proper questions and label anyone asking the proper questions as “unpatriotic”), I doubt this will bring down the adminstration. We can only hope that Moron’s approval rating will drop to a level where he will not be re-elected.
While I agree that Saddam was a really really bad man and the human rights violations he and his sons were committing were atrocious, does that mean that it’s our responsibility to go running over there to clear him out, especially given the chaos that’s ensued in his departure? Everyone was screaming about the need for vengeance following 9/11, but how come no one’s complaining that there’s Americans dying in Iraq now?
I’m with Keith. The lies are and have been out in the open. Americans don’t really give a shit as long as they are comfy. The Bushtard will be realtively unscathed. My hopes rest on 2008.
Are you better off than you were four years ago? Is the economy better? Is America’s standing in the world better? Do we feel like good people? I can’t answer yes to any of those questions. Why aren’t any Democratic candidates asking them? It’s the Economy, Stupid. I sure do hope that future leaders learn from this–do whatever you want and when anyone asks critical questions, answer only by suggesting that they are unpatriotic for even asking.
Suzyn, you ask good questions in my opinion. I just want to point out that there is, actually a Democratic candidate asking them: Howard Dean–and I take the fact that he is currently leading the polls in California and about to take them over in both Iowa and New Hampshire as a sign that there still may actually be intelligent life on this continent.
If you see a man beating a woman or a dog, and you feel that you have a chance in stopping the man, would you stop him? I am abosutely positive that if there was a madman running the US and killing thousands by torture and poison gas, I would hope someone would come to my rescue and save my family and friends. That is, if I had any left. There is a responsibility that comes with being the biggest and the baddest. Those young men and women over there knew what they were getting into when they signed up for the military. When was the last time you heard a soldier say they regret going over there? Sure is easy to talk shit from inside your safe, warm homes isn’t it? It is always funny to me how people are so forgiving until something horrible happens to them, then it’s “get that mother fucker!”
is it silly if my opinion on democratic candidates is swayed because dean has a blog?
The Bush administration presented two arguments for the war. Primarily, the threat of WMD not merely being developed, but already possessed and ready to use against the US and/or distribute to terrorists like Al Qaeda. Secondarily, that Hussein was a horrible, Hitleresque dictator, and that it was the US’s responsibility to “take him out.”
In other words, the argument was, “We have to protect our national security. Oh, and by the way, Hussein’s evil, so no loss.”
Now that there are doubts about the truthfulness of claims that Iraq possessed WMD, the pundits in favor of the war fall back onto their secondary argument. It seems sort of herioc, knowing that as the “biggest and baddest” we’ve saved the world from another evil, a la X-men or whatever superhero of choice.
The problem with the secondary arguement, Anya, is that unfortunately, this damn world is FULL of Husseins. Without even going into the issues surrounding the US’s culpability in supporting many of these dictators, to include Hussein himself, the biggest problem is the precedent such a policy establishes. If our responsibility as the “biggest and baddest” is to take care of all the evil, murderous dictators out there, then that means we are the world’s police. This is not what any thinking American should want, not to mention that the world itself doesn’t want America to do it anyway (duh, why do you think so many terrorists want to see the destruction of the US?).
This is not to say that we should stand ildy by when innocents are being killed. Something SHOULD be done about it. Who should do it? How about a world-wide congregation of nations working together democratically? Novel idea — Oh, wait, there’s already an organization put in place to do that — it’s called the U.N. But, shucks, America’s told the U.N. to go screw itself.
Just something to think about, Anya. Heroism is great, but blindly blazing guns only allows for a hell of a lot of stray bullets.
Anya, do we have to kill the dog beater to make him stop? Would (or should) killing the dog beater be legal?
Yes, “There is a responsibility that comes with being the biggest and the baddest,” but it doesn’t mean we can take the law into our own hands. That’s why laws — whether national or international — are made.
There are people beating a dogs all over the world, and we don’t do a goddamn thing to stop them. In fact, sometimes we grab a stick and help.
The question was, and continues to be, whether the way we stopped Saddam was appropriate. The only legitimate justifications we had for attacking Saddam was that he posed an immediate and dire threat to this country. He did not: The Bushtards lied to us and the world.
Stop letting the administration do your thinking for you.
Will this bring down the administration? I hope, but it seems unlikely. Sure, Bush and Company told lies to America to justify this war. But they were lies most of America wanted to hear. They are being followed up by obvious lies that people also want to hear (”we didn’t choose this war,” etc.)
It goes back to that “the people will get the leader they deserve” thing. People want this shit.
Canada anyone?
I have to second Rachel’s comment. Back in May I registered as a Democrat so that I can vote for Dean in the primary. I have been registered as a “decline to state” for almost twenty years.
If the religious right can highjack the Republican Party, how hard can it be for us to take over the Democratic Party?
I’m just saying Happy Birthday :o)
A voice from Canada, hopefully not too late.
Obviously, the US media is NOT honestly reporting the true events of Gulf War II. You can blame the Bush administration and the US military for allowing “embedded journalist” (read, censored reporting) for this fiasco.
Last April, a Canadian, yes, Canadian all news network proved that Bush et al had created the illusion of weapons of mass destruction. They debunked most of the administration’s “proof”. They also analysed Bush’s speeches. The rhetoric for going to war with Iraq commenced Sept. 12, 2000, one day after 9-1-1, saying that Iraq was part of the “axis of evil” and that Hussein had ties with Al Qaeda, which we all know by now that this is false.
These same journalists also rooted out the PR firm that the Bush administration had hired. The PR firm’s job was to sell the Iraqi war to the American people, which, in retrospect, the firm did do quite well.
Again, these same journalists polled American people and found that over 40% of them thought the US had found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. It makes one wonder how many Americans were conceived in the shallow end of the gene pool.
I have stopped trying to figure out what is wrong with this country,it is just so much,and so many crazy people. I give up ,I just want to get as far away as I can from here and all of the crazies who live here. To many using God to commit crimes,it is disscusting. Moving in 10 months and can hardly wait.