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		<title>By: dj blurb</title>
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		<dc:creator>dj blurb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I'm related to Ms. Jessop. 

Apparently, on the side that may be related, one of my forebears spent time in prison, due to polygamy charges.

The sexual, lechesque side of this issue is revolting.

"Bleeding of the beast" is talked about in Krakauers' book.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m related to Ms. Jessop. </p>
<p>Apparently, on the side that may be related, one of my forebears spent time in prison, due to polygamy charges.</p>
<p>The sexual, lechesque side of this issue is revolting.</p>
<p>&#8220;Bleeding of the beast&#8221; is talked about in Krakauers&#8217; book.</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
		<link>http://blurbomat.com/archives/2004/03/14/polygamy-yay/comment-page-1/#comment-7021</link>
		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll bet they ran that article because that week, 20/20 (or Dateline, or 60 Minutes, I don't remember) did a piece on Colorado City and a woman, Flora Jessop,  who left there 20 years or so ago and now sneaks back under the cover of night to help rescue 14 year old girls who don't want to marry their fathers. 

One of the things I found most appalling was the "bleeding the beast" thing. 
From ABCNEWS.com: " Ironically, the American taxpayer pays for much of this lifestyle. Recent records show in one year residents here collected more than $8-million from social services ó including food stamps, welfare, health care ó but the entire town paid less than $100,000 in income taxes.

"They are told to go on welfare," Jessop said. "It's called, "bleeding the beast." They find it amusing that Satan is supporting God's work."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll bet they ran that article because that week, 20/20 (or Dateline, or 60 Minutes, I don&#8217;t remember) did a piece on Colorado City and a woman, Flora Jessop,  who left there 20 years or so ago and now sneaks back under the cover of night to help rescue 14 year old girls who don&#8217;t want to marry their fathers. </p>
<p>One of the things I found most appalling was the &#8220;bleeding the beast&#8221; thing.<br />
From ABCNEWS.com: &#8221; Ironically, the American taxpayer pays for much of this lifestyle. Recent records show in one year residents here collected more than $8-million from social services ó including food stamps, welfare, health care ó but the entire town paid less than $100,000 in income taxes.</p>
<p>&#8220;They are told to go on welfare,&#8221; Jessop said. &#8220;It&#8217;s called, &#8220;bleeding the beast.&#8221; They find it amusing that Satan is supporting God&#8217;s work.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PiscusFiche</title>
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		<dc:creator>PiscusFiche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it does seem like the trib is a tad schizo on this issue, as they have at least two articles in the mix which highlight some of the more negative issues surrounding polygamy--particularly the plight of the young boys who are kicked out their religious communities because they are a competition for a resource (women).

I've long had an interest in this topic--it really pisses me off to know that the situations in Southern Utah are often comparable to the Taliban, and that the powers-that-be in Utah are doing sweet-fuck-all about it. I grew up thinking that the polygs were totally harmless and nice, just misguided and rather gentle--no clue that the girls are often forced to marry against their will, beaten if they disagree, raped in the marriage bed, and subjected to years of abuse.

Here's some links highlighted at Teresa Nielsen Hayden's site--you might find it interesting:

&lt;a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/004560.html#004560" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/004560.html#004560&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it does seem like the trib is a tad schizo on this issue, as they have at least two articles in the mix which highlight some of the more negative issues surrounding polygamy&#8211;particularly the plight of the young boys who are kicked out their religious communities because they are a competition for a resource (women).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve long had an interest in this topic&#8211;it really pisses me off to know that the situations in Southern Utah are often comparable to the Taliban, and that the powers-that-be in Utah are doing sweet-fuck-all about it. I grew up thinking that the polygs were totally harmless and nice, just misguided and rather gentle&#8211;no clue that the girls are often forced to marry against their will, beaten if they disagree, raped in the marriage bed, and subjected to years of abuse.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s some links highlighted at Teresa Nielsen Hayden&#8217;s site&#8211;you might find it interesting:</p>
<p><a href="http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/004560.html#004560" rel="nofollow">http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/004560.html#004560</a></p>
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		<title>By: hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with devian -- well put. The thin edge of the wedge argument doesn't really hold up. Anything we deem important can be taken to an unpleasant (and logical) extreme. Like liberty -- we have the right to live as we choose, but we restrict murder, stealing, etc. I know some 12 year olds who would make great drivers, but I'm still glad all 12 year olds have to wait a few years before they get licensed.

I support gay marriage because homosexuals don't choose to be homosexual, and deserve the same right to be married to a partner as heterosexuals.

I don't support inter-species, or pedophilic marriages because inter-species and pedophilic marriages are marriages between an adult and a person (or animal) who doesn't have the full capacity to consent to marriage. Finally, I don't support polygamous marriages because I personally believe marriage should be the legal and spiritual union of two people to the exclusion of all others. 

However, unlike "marriages" between adults and children, or adults and animals, I think it's fine for a bunch of adults to live together as friends, lovers, however they want to define themselves, even call themselves "married" if they like, as long as they are all consenting adults.

on a silly note however, &lt;a href="http://www.marryyourpet.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.marryyourpet.com/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with devian &#8212; well put. The thin edge of the wedge argument doesn&#8217;t really hold up. Anything we deem important can be taken to an unpleasant (and logical) extreme. Like liberty &#8212; we have the right to live as we choose, but we restrict murder, stealing, etc. I know some 12 year olds who would make great drivers, but I&#8217;m still glad all 12 year olds have to wait a few years before they get licensed.</p>
<p>I support gay marriage because homosexuals don&#8217;t choose to be homosexual, and deserve the same right to be married to a partner as heterosexuals.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t support inter-species, or pedophilic marriages because inter-species and pedophilic marriages are marriages between an adult and a person (or animal) who doesn&#8217;t have the full capacity to consent to marriage. Finally, I don&#8217;t support polygamous marriages because I personally believe marriage should be the legal and spiritual union of two people to the exclusion of all others. </p>
<p>However, unlike &#8220;marriages&#8221; between adults and children, or adults and animals, I think it&#8217;s fine for a bunch of adults to live together as friends, lovers, however they want to define themselves, even call themselves &#8220;married&#8221; if they like, as long as they are all consenting adults.</p>
<p>on a silly note however, <a href="http://www.marryyourpet.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.marryyourpet.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: devian</title>
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		<dc:creator>devian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gay marriage has nothing to do with polygomy.  so, no, supporing gay marriage wouldn't mean you were supporting polygomy anymore than it would mean you were supporting beastiality.  or adults marrying children or people marrying inanimate objects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gay marriage has nothing to do with polygomy.  so, no, supporing gay marriage wouldn&#8217;t mean you were supporting polygomy anymore than it would mean you were supporting beastiality.  or adults marrying children or people marrying inanimate objects.</p>
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		<title>By: liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The flaw in the case in the article is that the supreme court ruled that sodomy could not be illegal because of privacy issues. If you grant a marriage license to a polygamist that becomes public record. No one is saying that three people can't live together as a "family" just that they can't be granted a marriage license. 

That said, I do support granting marriage licenses to gay couples and I guess to other "alternative" relationships as well. But the argument that the sodomy ruling protects polygamists seeking PUBLIC acknowledgment of their union is just illogical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The flaw in the case in the article is that the supreme court ruled that sodomy could not be illegal because of privacy issues. If you grant a marriage license to a polygamist that becomes public record. No one is saying that three people can&#8217;t live together as a &#8220;family&#8221; just that they can&#8217;t be granted a marriage license. </p>
<p>That said, I do support granting marriage licenses to gay couples and I guess to other &#8220;alternative&#8221; relationships as well. But the argument that the sodomy ruling protects polygamists seeking PUBLIC acknowledgment of their union is just illogical.</p>
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		<title>By: the mighty jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>the mighty jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hell.  maybe i should be mormon.  i have a helluva a time getting two dates, let alone two wives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hell.  maybe i should be mormon.  i have a helluva a time getting two dates, let alone two wives.</p>
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		<title>By: patatomic</title>
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		<dc:creator>patatomic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2004 06:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been wondering for a while how polygimasts feel about gay marriage. Soon there may be hundreds of shanty looking vans headed toward the San Francisco Civic Center. Politics make strange bedfellows indeed.

There is also a thin line between the legalization of marijuana and the legalization of polygamy. Like the police in Humbolt County, the Colorado City cops make a token bust every year or two just to look like they are doing something. I say legalize it, regulate it and tax it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering for a while how polygimasts feel about gay marriage. Soon there may be hundreds of shanty looking vans headed toward the San Francisco Civic Center. Politics make strange bedfellows indeed.</p>
<p>There is also a thin line between the legalization of marijuana and the legalization of polygamy. Like the police in Humbolt County, the Colorado City cops make a token bust every year or two just to look like they are doing something. I say legalize it, regulate it and tax it.</p>
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		<title>By: fargahar</title>
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		<dc:creator>fargahar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know what....good question....really good question.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what&#8230;.good question&#8230;.really good question&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Leah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was at the University of Utah, I had a friend who had lived in Colorado City and was related to the Jeffs clan. One of the weirdest things I've seen was his elementary school yearbooks, in which the hundreds of kids only had about four last names between them and they all definitely looked related. He left the compound when his mother decided she'd had enough, but it was sad to see that he couldn't ever go back to visit his half-brothers and -sisters and friends. They wouldn't let him on the property because his hair was too long. Oh, and he was gay too. Now, who wouldn't want to read this kid's biography?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was at the University of Utah, I had a friend who had lived in Colorado City and was related to the Jeffs clan. One of the weirdest things I&#8217;ve seen was his elementary school yearbooks, in which the hundreds of kids only had about four last names between them and they all definitely looked related. He left the compound when his mother decided she&#8217;d had enough, but it was sad to see that he couldn&#8217;t ever go back to visit his half-brothers and -sisters and friends. They wouldn&#8217;t let him on the property because his hair was too long. Oh, and he was gay too. Now, who wouldn&#8217;t want to read this kid&#8217;s biography?</p>
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