Even Conservatives Think Palin is Out of Her League
September 26th, 2008Finally, some reason from the conservatives:
Palin Problem by Kathleen Parker on National Review Online
Via: Huffington Post.
Finally, some reason from the conservatives:
Palin Problem by Kathleen Parker on National Review Online
Via: Huffington Post.
And I usually can’t stand what that woman says. But in this case- well, yes, I agree.
grabbed. linked. reposted.
word.
thanks jon!
Wow, it’s about time!
She should definitely go back to being a “mother” – obviously she needs to since she’s got a newborn AND a grandbaby on the way!
I’m a Libertarian so I think all of the candidates SUCK! (This election makes my head hurt, there are no options we are screwed no matter who is elected!) That aside, this comment:
“She should definitely go back to being a “mother” – obviously she needs to since she’s got a newborn AND a grandbaby on the way!” Is rediculous!
No one would dare tell a man he needs to go back to being a “Father” because he just had a baby and has a grandbaby on the way!
Aside from Palin, there is also this article regarding McCain and the financial crisis grandstanding:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/25/AR2008092503684.html?nav=slate
Do you read what you write? Because Parker agrees with you, she has “reason.” This is what bothers me the most about left-leaning folks. As a libertarian, I disagree with the Republicans as much as the Democrats, but it’s from the Dems that get the attacks on person. If someone disagrees with you, they simply aren’t reasonable. Lack of reason is the issue. If they had reason, they would agree with you. Disagreeing with you demonstrates a deficiency in them. What if a perfectly reasonable, intelligent, well-educated, non-hating, tolerant person, nice to old people and children, and known to find homes for stray dogs, actually read about, thought about, and considered the issues and yet disagreed with you? Nope, not possible. They haven’t demonstrated “reason.”
@dross, the argument isn’t about me or my argument. It’s about Palin’s lack of experience and being in over her head.
Thanks for your comments. Have fun with your straw men. I’m waiting for the more serious ad hominem next.
Here is another article about McCain and financial crisis:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26campaign.html?ex=1380168000&en=16c322edb04bb09c&ei=5124&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink
Vote Obama
blurb,
You imply that conservatives must be agree with you to demonstrate reason, yet I’m accused of ad hominem arguments.
I’ve addressed the issue of Palin’s experience extensively in the other thread about her experience, so your straw man accusation is itself a straw man.
In fact, I’ve answered your questions, yet you refuse to answer mine.
Why must there be something wrong with your philosophical opponents?
@Wenlefeb – so only YOU are entitled to your opinion? I think she’s highly unqualified to be VP (and probably Gov of her state – but that’s a whole different issue) – the newborn with special needs and a daughter knocked up as a minor are just icing on the cake as to why she should place her priorities elsewhere. Our country is already in enough trouble – do we really need someone so discernably unqualified YET AGAIN?
I believe last election I heard Bush was the “lesser of two evils” and I question whether those morons who said that think the same thing looking at their portfolios today!
Vote OBAMA!
Kari-Mel,
You think Bush caused this crisis, and you call those of us who voted for him morons?
Irony is delicious.
@dross, I imply nothing of the sort. I’ve answered your questions and if I haven’t done so clearly enough for your liking et me do so now:
Your petals are beautiful, but your pollen is poison.
I mean that in a metaphorical way. So no, not ad hominem.
blurb,
I’ve often felt like a beautiful flower – all 300 ex-paratrooper pounds of me – so I guess I’ll accept your little metaphor, poison pollen and all.
@dross – So tell me in your infinite wisdom how you think this economic crisis is the fault of a democrat if it has nothing to do with old shrub.
And I believe my statement was regarding those who called him “the lesser of two evils” – so if you said that – then yes, I’m calling you a moron!
We’re in great shape here in the good old USA aren’t we? Balanced budget…..surplus…..gas was affordable……jobs weren’t leaving the country……..banks weren’t needing bailed out left and right…….mortgage crisis (what mortgage crisis)…….should I go on?
Kari-Mel,
My wisdom is not infinite. To the degree I possess any wisdom at all – something to be judged by others, not me – I am grateful. Why must you call names? Why do you sneeringly refer to my “infinite wisdom”? Is nastiness required, or can we just discuss our differences? Why must the left demonize those who disagree?
As a small “L” libertarian, I never get a realistic shot at my ideal candidate, so I always vote for the lesser of two evils, in my mind. Evil in the figurative sense, I don’t consider any of the candidates to actually be evil. Please explain how that makes me a moron?
This crisis was caused by policies championed by the Democrats. Financial institutions were required to issue loans to people who would not have normally qualified. The combination of that and the half government half private entities, Freddie and Fannie, who bought many of these shaky loans, led to this crisis. Are Republicans guiltless? No. But the bulk of the blame has to fall on the Dems, especially Dodd, Schumer, and Frank, and yes, Obama, who took the second highest amount of money after Dodd from one of the “F’s”, I forget which one. Bush was on the sidelines, but some Republicans argued for reform, but were defeated by the Democrats. McCain called for reform of Freddie and Fannie. This crisis is the result of too much government involvement, not too little.
Are we in great shape right now? No, but the reasons are complex. To put it all on Bush because he’s the current President is simplistic to the point of being incorrect. Does he share a piece of responsibility? Yes. A very small piece.
To you, as I posted to Heather, you are worried about Palin at this point? Really…
Been watching the NEWS the past two days? You can’t seem to get past ole Sarah as the entire US economy might just collapse as your party and mine wrangle to try and save it.
But I’m sure you are FOR a big check written to help the cause, that is, after all the Democratic way. Thank goodness the conservatives have put on their shoulder pads and helmets to try and block their way. And yes, I realize the president is a Republican. I don’t like him, despite him being the “head” of my party. I never have and never voted for him. I’m ready for change too…McCain/Palin.
Palin has definitely underperformed; I’m less confident in her than I hoped to be. Note that we don’t know how she would do with a year to prepare, as Obama had while running up to the primaries.
But she’s the bottom of the ticket. Obama delivers himself better than she does, but that doesn’t mean his ideas hold together. And part of his delivery is skill avoiding straight questions, or gliding over obvious ones.
There is still a lot about her ability we haven’t seen, but yeah, a McCain presidency looks a little riskier than it did a month ago. Still, the risks of a poor Vice-President are nothing compared with the risks of a President with a demonstrably flawed world view. And McCain’s integrity has been tested so heavily that anyone constitutes an integrity risk relative to him.
Now, blurb, I invite you to find a similar criticism of anything Obama has done in a mainstream progressive outlet.
@dross,
How did Democrats take part in “Financial institutions were required to issue loans to people who would not have normally qualified”??
Financial institutions are not compelled by any law to issue loans. Your statement is not true.
i normally don’t jump into this kind of fray, but i’m also curious where @dross was going with his argument about dems and loans as the argument doesn’t necessarily match with my (albeit limited, non professional) understanding of the events that led to the credit meltdown.
how far back are you reaching? the creation of freddie and fannie? are you assuming that the dems put pressure on financial institutions to issue riskier loans as a way to help low income people? because that just doesn’t seem to gell with what i have heard/read.
my understanding of the crisis involves a whole complex set of events from bank deregulation, the dot com burst resulting in lower interest rates, the subsequent boom in housing investment (and values) leading to increased speculation and the booming sub-prime market, and the banks borrowing heavily against mortgage backed securities. people start to default. the securities aren’t worth shit so banks can unload them. the whole thing begins to collapse. as it collapses the crisis feeds itself and more parts tumble. complicated, but really, kinda not.
so again, please elaborate about the dem’s blame in all this. again, i’m not trying to be a pain in the ass but just curious where you were going.
Now I hear that Sen. Dodd wants 20 percent of the bailout package to be funneled into ACORN! Oh, of course he does…one of the biggest democratic special interests and Obama was a lawyer for them for years in addition to being a trainer.
They’re the originator of the zero down payment loan programs that were oh so loved with the Community Re-Investment program, which has been SOOOO successful (not!).
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/26/the-democratic-acorn-bailout/
I simply am not stunned. I knew there was a reason they were so upset the…um THEIR…plan was nearly derailed.
I’m usually a lurker, but I had to chime in briefly about this.
The issue about Palin for me is not her lack of experience, but her lack of knowledge. The woman is woefully ignorant about important issues and concepts that anyone at the executive branch of the federal government must be. Harp on Obama’s lack of experience all you want, but he is educated, informed, and understands the complexities of the major issues facing us today. The same can’t be said for Palin.
@faydean, are you talking about this ACORN? How is helping them out a bad thing? They want people facing foreclosures on their homes to get some help. I take it you are against that kind of help?
And also: off subject. I probably need to do an open thread on the bailout.
I almost feel bad for her… she’s clearly lost confidence in herself (not without cause) and is clearly afraid to give any type of thoughtful answer to anything at this point. Surely she must have known she was in WAY over her head from the very beginning.
At the same time, being an Obama supporter I can’t help but rejoice as the momentum McCain came out of the convention with has come to a grinding halt now that people are beginning to realize how scary she really is.
The article you linked to does raise an interesting question. What if she does become so thoroughly embarrassed that she decides to bow out? What if that was the plan all along? Yes, the later is a huge stretch, but I’ll be the first to admit that I’ll never understand how the other side thinks…
@Keri-Mel
You are certainly allowed your opinion. I never said you weren’t. But, you could certainly find better reasons than bringing up that she is a mother. Again, no one would ever tell a man he should not pursue a job because he is a father and soon to be grandfather.
“Financial institutions are not compelled by any law to issue loans. ”
Not strictly, but they are legally required to meet “community lending” standards. They can consider an applicant’s credit, but they have serious regulatory and political problems if they don’t hit those standards.
“How is helping [ACORN] out a bad thing? ”
They operate political, voter registration and “housing” programs. By law, these are supposed to be kept separate. In fact, it is very hard to enforce those separations. ACORN has a particularly poor track record for compliance. They are basically an organizing arm of the Democratic Party.