The Morning After
October 3rd, 2008I kind of feel like last night was like one of the Christmases you have as a kid where you didn’t get what you wanted, but you got some really good stuff that over time, you’ll be glad you got.
Both Palin and Biden had some gaffes, some mispronunciations and it was clear at the outset they were both nervous. Misspeaking is one thing. I can forgive a badly pronounced word or name but I can’t look past misrepresentation. There were some gymnastics last night:
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October 3rd, 2008 at 10:46 am
My favorite Palin answers:
Announcing she would not be “answering the questions the way the moderator or her opponent would like.” –I’m not here to debate issues. I’m here to regurgitate the talking points that have been drilled into me over the last two weeks by my handlers.
and
When asked what was Cheney’s worst decision in the last 8 years, “”Worst thing, I guess, that woulda been the duck hunting accident.” Was shooting an old man in the face a decision Cheney made? Gosh, he’s more evil than I thought!
Check out Sarah Palin’s post-debate vlog. Hysterical!
http://www.236.com/video/2008/sarah_palin_vlog_5_postdebate_9308.php
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:33 am
I can look past a mispronunciation when it’s worked through without undue attention, such as Biden’s minor word-trip-up last night. During last week’s debate, McCain’s mispronounciation of Admadinejad with the added emphasis of a childhood class clown does nothing but prove to me what a schmuck he is.
Too bad we can’t take Palin’s flirtatious winks to the camera out of context also, ya know, because she’s a maverick, also, and ya know, all those things she did up there in Alaska, also. Doggone it maverick, you betcha! Call me when Fargo’s over.
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:44 am
“I love factcheck.org.”
Me, too. And so does the McCain campaign–except when they hate them, or when they pretend not to know who they are.
October 3rd, 2008 at 1:23 pm
If “surge” means “temporary increase in troop levels”, Biden’s right. McKiernan thinks the problem needs longer term attention. If “surge” means application of a particular suite of counterinsurgency ideas, adapted to a different environment, I’d be shocked if McKiernan isn’t already doing that. The military is learning a ton in Iraq and I’m sure they’re applying as much as they can in Afghanistan.
Here’s a question: as Afghanistan turns out to be a multi-year slog, who do you think likelier to stay the course, McCain or Obama? Better suited to adjust strategy if things get off track?
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:18 pm
My local paper, the Tacoma News Tribune, had an interesting take on the debate stating that “If you win debates by beating expectations, the Alaska governor and the Delaware senator both won their first and only face-off Thursday night.” That’s the thought they ran with, they both did as well as could be expected so they’re both winners. I thought the debate was part of judging which ticket would be the one to best lead the country? I’m still kinda chewin’ their choice of rubric to judge the debate by.
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Oops, meant to stick a link in there.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/opinion/story/498394.html
October 4th, 2008 at 8:39 am
I couldn’t help but send this to you. If even you, who has a really good sense of irony and humorl, can’t find this amusing then there is no “hope” for you Jon. LOL
I posted this on my Facebook because I can’t get that fucking song OUT OF MY HEAD. That’s enough reason to hate Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH-2Fwx5RU0
October 5th, 2008 at 8:59 am
THIS is why I went from Dem to Republican! Wish I had this guys verbal dexterity! AMEN!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxhYampIl7A
October 5th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Sadly, I missed it because my kid was puking her guts out. But there’s always the internet to catch the good stuff.
Angie (from over at [please don't put personal URLs in the comments, thanks!])
October 6th, 2008 at 6:36 am
Faydean - someone’s negative video composition and a song that gets stuck in the mud in your head is enough to hate Obama? You’d think a differing opinion on issues / economy / etc. would do it - but it’s a stupid song and video? ……..that speaks volumes about you!
October 6th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Kari-Mel…
Believe me, this video is just one of MANY, many, many things about Obama that make me not “prefer” him. While the song is creepy as Hell (and the counter video is absolutely spot on when it comes to the “image” it gives off), I’m mostly put off by Obama’s claim that he had nothing to do with it, or rather his campaign didn’t. Come on…this music teacher had a dolly cam just available to her for making a homemade video??? She must know someone in who works for a movie production company. Obama had this video on his website, until people started talking about how utterly inappropriate and weird it was. Shocking that he’d react that way. NOT. His arrogance is so HUGE that I’m sure he didn’t see anything off about this video…until people POINTED it out to him. Pitiful. But that fits with his ever changing views. And yes, I fully hold him responsible for making this creepy shit stick in my head (though my husband and I have laughed our asses off over it for a week now). Besides, if you as a liberal can’t even find the humor in the video and it’s counter then I do honestly worry about our country’s future. I find the Tina Fey stuff funny and I support Palin. Lighten up!
October 6th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Lighten up? Are you kidding me? This is the future of our country we’re talking about. Our ability to feed and clothe our children. Our ability to pay for medicine and medical care? There’s nothing humorous about the state of our country or the value of the American dollar. Yes, the Tina Fey stuff is funny because it is SPOT ON. There’s nothing like watching an exact duplication of someone make an idiot of themselves flirting with the American public and demeaning their sensabilities by winking and treating us as though we’re imbeciles! Yeah, that’s the way to my heart - flirt with me for my vote! NOT!
Tell me how you can take more from those who earn more and less from me so I can feed my family and provide for their daily needs - they can’t do it because it’s going to be 4 more years of bushism with them. Things won’t get any better - and if they get in and pass that bullshit health care plan - they’re going to get worse. NO THANK YOU!
October 6th, 2008 at 9:34 am
To show just what kind of sense of humor I have, watch this Kari-Mel. I laughed until I cried.
LIGHTEN the eff up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W5IAPK0hbU
(Jon, PLEASE show this to Heather and let us know if she laughed. I know she would. She’s from Tennessee for Christ’s sake! Just like me. Duh.)
October 6th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Faydean: “rednecks” talking about how hot Sarah Palin is? Comedy. Tina Fey and the crew over at SNL ripping on any and all politicians involved this election? Funny. Even the Obama stuff!
But the lies and BS being spread in this campaign, from both sides, is disgusting. There is nothing cute or funny about the Obama campaign song to little boys drumming for the NAZI WAR MACHINE. Yes, the song is crap. (similarly, if I have to hear ‘Barracuda’ in reference to Palin one more time, surely my ears will bleed.)
But NAZIS?! Come on. The differences are not only obvious, but astronomical. And left, right, purple, upside-down, you should want better from this election, and for the country. We are so far above fear-mongering and propaganda.
Make your point with facts, not scare-tactics.
October 6th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Again, my point is that the feeling given off by the Obama kids was seriously gotten by MOST people almost instantly, whether it’s real or just simply implied due to people’s perception. There are dozens of Obama kid song spinoffs…insert various regimes using kids as their propaganda tools.
The point is, seriously, someone, somewhere should have seen the similiarity and said, “No, Mr. Obama…not really a great idea.” That is why it IS funny. Whether Obama is a Nazi isn’t the point (and I’m trying really hard here to be nonpartisan in my views…no he’s not Hitler, but his following sure is starting to look like the Obama kids thing.) The way I see it, such strong allegiances to any political “leader”, to the point of not seeing their faults, is dangerous. All I get from many Obama supporters is this ‘he can do no wrong’ mentality. NO politician is that clean and clear. NONE. It’s fine to support ones causes and platforms. We all do. But to not be able to look at your candidate and say, “Ya know, he was pretty effin stupid to go to that church or to say we should all teach our kids to speak Spanish.” He’s not perfect. Neither is McCain…or Palin or Biden.
When a recent poll showed more than 60 percent of those polled felt they’d get better service out of their Congress and/or president if they randomly picked from the telephone book, then you’ve got to take another look at your blind allegiance to any one party or person. And frigin make fun of their stumbles. I stand behind that video being funny because, well, you have to laugh at all these gimmicks used to get people elected. Wait two years, you’ll be just as pissed off that Obama is president as you are Bush now!
October 6th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
This isn’t about Obama. I’d have written if the video was posted about Palin, or Putin, or anyone other than Hitler. Or Bush. :p
And I get what you’re trying to say. Kids standing around, singing a song for Obama. The poor judgment involved. Funny. Granted, I’ll give you that, even though I disagree. And yes, the gimmicks and the pandering used to get people elected can be funny. But you didn’t link to that video. You linked to the song, placed with a video clip of little Nazi drummer boys. If you were looking for laughs, post the real video. Not the one that draws unnecessary and downright weird parallels between a dictator responsible for MILLIONS of deaths, and a politician who may have coerced a music class into singing a song about his campaign. Big, huge difference. (Kinda like Palin’s comment about Joe Biden being so old, but we’ll not open that can of worms.)
Yes, a lot of Obama supporters are blindly following. Just like a lot of McCain/Palin supporters have the same “I will follow you off this cliff, oh-great-one!” mentality (’Cos she’s JUST LIKE YOU, with her va-jay-jay and all those kids, gosh-darnit don’tcha know WINKITY WINK WINK WINK). Your argument fits both sides, because the actual issues are constant covered up by bickering and whining and finger-pointing and scare tactics. Pandering and propaganda. Everyone’s guilty here. Nobody is perfect.
My point was that we should instead expect better of our politicians, and better of ourselves, rather than wildly trying to make dramatic points so our team wins. We are facing a huge crisis here in this country, and it’s not going to get better like this. This election shouldn’t be about, OH LOOK, THERE’S OBAMA, HE MADE THOSE LITTLE KIDS SING OMFG TEH LULZ! Or THEY’RE PICKING ON PALIN BECAUSE SHE’S A GIRL SEXISM SEXISM SEXISM!
This election is getting turned into high-school politics. And we need to demand better of our leaders. And certainly of our peers! If those 60% of people don’t like who is in office, then maybe they should go vote this year, instead of joining in on the he-said, she-said, hand in the cookie jar nonsense.
October 6th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Because I know you probably love them so much, since they’re all socialist and stuff, and because they’ve got way more manners and sensibility than myself.
I shall answer you with the Times of London!
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2913823&referralPlaylistId=playlist
As the Brits would say, BRILLIANT! Now there’s a country with a sense of humor!!!!!!!
October 6th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
Oh, and lest I forget all those Palin hatin feminists…
there is this little bit o news!!!!!
Hell yeah. I might rejoin NOW (I say might).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJxIYQKmM0M
October 6th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
@faydean, not that funny. Better to let the Jews who work on the sitcoms on Citizen Murdoch’s channels write the jokes.
Also, your video links are not really on topic. Also.
It’s clear. YOU LOVE PALIN. And good for you. You also appear to be willing to drink whatever Kool-Aid Rupert Murdoch is slinging. Which is certainly your prerogative.
Future video posts will likely be met with a delete. Especially ones that fall below the 12th grade level stated in the Terms of Service.
October 6th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
Face it, both of your front runner candidates are establishment approved. You can easily look at where the campaign funds are coming from and Obama has plenty of backing from big companies just as any other candidate would. In all the presidential elections I have seen, I have never seen this level of demagoguery surrounding a presidential candidate. He has sold a message to the masses of tax relief for the middle class by sticking it to the wealthy. You can’t soak the rich. They’re already rich. There seems to be this notion that people with wealth did not earn it or maybe inherited it or definitely don’t deserve to be so filthy rich. So let’s sock it to these people for their ill gotten gains. People like your boss who provides you with a job. I bet he’s pulling in half a mil after his business taxes not even counting his personal income tax. Taxes ALWAYS get passed to the middle class though it may be indirectly through decreased growth of their wages, increased prices for products, decreased bonuses or other job benefits, and most worrisome fewer opportunities for employment. Further they’ll seek new tax shelters and even evade paying taxes. Obama’s tax plan sounds great on the surface, but I believe it will hurt the already ailing economy even more. The people paying the higher taxes that will be hurt are the ones in successful small to medium companies. If you think they are going to accept a drop in their income without decreasing their overhead or increasing their prices, you are mistaken. If you think the government can fix your life, it can’t. Everybody’s hopping on the socialized healthcare bandwagon but it won’t lower healthcare costs, improve service, or personal choices you have in your healthcare. I’m not sure that it really matters though since your healthcare is more socialized now than you probably know. Uncontrolled spending should be an important issue. McCain is the only candidate who has pledged to try and curtail spending. (Obama >$9million in earmarks, McCain $0). Obama only talks about how much more he wants to spend. Taxpayers cannot afford more entitlements. If he cared about the middle class, he would know that. Neither has addressed the deficit which will likely increase with both.
Everybody wants to dump on Palin, but anyone who writes her off as stupid needs to look in the mirror. She has accomplished more in her short time as governor than Obama has in his entire political career. She has a track record of reform. Obama does not. Look at her tax returns. She is middle class. She is JUST LIKE YOU unless your dirt poor or super wealthy. She’s raising a family on an upper middle class income. She’s the only one that may not be bought except by Jesus which I can overlook. She has not hindered abortion in her state nor has she come down on homosexuality. I think Keith Olbermann continues to spew his anti-Palin crap because he literally has nothing good in Obama’s record to propagandize. Her treatment has most definitely been sexist. Nobody ever suggests a man’s family size or special needs will keep him from being able to serve. Feminists hate her because she is the antithesis of their agenda. Plus their worried that they won’t get there first. I hate most politicians, but I respect her for what she has achieved.
Cynic that I am, I think it unlikely that a democracy will last in Iraq. I’m not a war supporter. The only thing good I can say about Obama is that he opposed the war. From the debates, Obama seems ready to finish Afghanistan and maybe Pakistan too. “I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars.” Hardly a pacifist mantra.
SOMEBODY name one thing Obama has accomplished besides an Ivy League education. I won’t be impressed with anything to do with ACORN. There is no CHANGE I can believe in here. Democrats are quick to make sure that every student and homeless person registers to vote. They could care less if the people who really fund the government vote. Tell me they’re not looking for people who might vote themselves more entitlements. Since it looks like he’ll win, I sincerely hope all your Obama dreams come true. You can all come back and tell me I told you so. I would welcome it. Most likely I, like you, will be paying $6 for gas, God knows what for groceries, watching my retirement fund dwindle and hoping my employer won’t decide my services are too expensive for his bottom line. I know, it’s a change from cynicism. “Obama’s gonna change it… rearrange it.” I agree with you Kari-Mel, there’s nothing funny about that video. It’s terrifying.
October 6th, 2008 at 9:11 pm
I clearly gave you more credit Jon for being able to see humor in politics. Like I’ve said before, I’ve been a reader of yours and Heather’s for years…and still will be, despite my husband’s rantings.
The thing I seriously don’t get though is how you can be so very insulting when someone disagrees with you politically. I’ve laughed alot over things regarding McCain and Palin…and Clinton, and Gore and all of them. And I can see alot of the liberals points. Most of my friends, lifelong, are liberal and we discuss these things all the time, without it resulting in someone belittling me and telling me I’m juvenile or whatever.
Are you and Heather the only ones allowed to have some weird sense of humor? I guess so. I don’t think you honestly want views from your readers, unless they agree with you. I thought you did…gave you the benefit of the doubt. Man, this political stuff sure has changed what I thought I “knew” about you and Heather. Maybe not her, maybe just you. I think she’s got a very good sense of humor and can see the absurdity of it all. Guess you don’t. I won’t bother you with deleting whatever from my posts. I won’t post comments here again now that I understand you are this closed-minded. I’m just as much of a political fan as you, so I appreciate your obsession. But unlike you, I find debating things with those who differ in their views from me very interesting. I can get personal sure, if pushed. But mostly I just try jostle for position because it makes things interesting. What fun can it be to debate someone who agress with you? Must be alot of fun since that’s only what you do.
October 6th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
After thinking about this for a while…
I would very much like you to clarify this statement:
“Better to let the Jews who work on the sitcoms on Citizen Murdoch’s channels write the jokes.”
October 7th, 2008 at 8:15 am
There you go, yet again, faydean. Whine because you think he’s shutting you down because you differ on points - instead of seeing what he clearly stated - that you are NOT ON TOPIC so either get with the topic of the post - or you will be “deleted”.
You are clearly just slinging mud trying to get a rise out of people who just simply want to discuss their views. You were way off base with your initial video post and didn’t like that you got called on the carpet for it so you post more bullshit. It’s not exactly “adult-like” to play petty childish games where people are trying to discuss the issues, their opinions on those issues, and how they feel things could be solved. If you have something productive and worth listening to, by all means join in - if not then you are more than welcome to STFU and move on.
October 7th, 2008 at 8:57 am
@faydean, I was making a reference to The Simpsons.
I would very much like you to lift the knuckles off the floor, Tennessee or otherwise. We just don’t share a similar sense of humor. I find humor in nearly everything that Palin does. She represents the venal qualities in our culture, as you have aptly displayed with your choice of words and links to share.
I appreciate your different viewpoint, but I concede none of your points. Because you haven’t made any worth discussing in any kind of depth. You aren’t debating. You haven’t presented anything of substance. Is Obama perfect? Nope. Neither is McCain. We can link to videos and ideological stuff all day.
Palin is under experienced and appears to fuel the very worst in us. You appear to wish the same.