Still Giving Her Too Much Credit
October 7th, 2008Palin is desperate. McCain is desparate.
From the Washington Post:
Dana Milbank - Unleashed, Palin Makes a Pit Bull Look Tame
“Worse, Palin’s routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric’s questions for her ‘less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media.’ At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, ‘Sit down, boy.’”
And…
“The angry GOP vice presidential nominee even found a way to blame the market decline on the yet-to-be-enacted tax policies of the yet-to-be-elected Obama.
“‘If you turn on the news tonight when you get home, you’re gonna see that, yah, this is another woeful day in the market, and the other side just doesn’t understand — no!’ she said at an afternoon fundraiser at the home of mutual fund giant Jack Donahue. ‘Especially in a time like this, you don’t propose to increase taxes. The phoniest claim in a campaign that’s full of them is that Barack Obama is going to cut your taxes.’”
Palin is the very epitome of class, grace, intelligence and represents a leap forward if you think we need to stay the course charted by Cheney/Bush and/or think we need more dumb people in the White House. o
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October 7th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Let me just say “holy fucking bullshit”! This woman is ridiculously terrifying to say the least!
I’d like to see more commentary on the “kill him” remarks shouted from the crowd. Talk about trying to take our country back in time!
October 7th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Wow.
Talk about running scared. What’s McCain saying during all of this? Is she just getting scarier by the day?
October 7th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Yeah, but Palin thinks she’s middle class even though she’s in the top 10% of income in the US. She probably will get her taxes raised under Obama. And most of the people at her rally probably won’t. I can see why there would be dissonance in her statements. The dissonance is not in Obama’s policies though. It’s in a party that likes to believe that the majority of their members are in the same income bracket as their leaders.
That said, they’re losing it. And it’s a good feeling. This is the Republican party we’ve always known they were. It’s nice to see they’re finally showing their face to the world.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:08 am
tthomas,
The Palins earned $166,080, well below the 250K promised to be immune by BHO. Funny thing though , The Palins donated more to charity last year alone that Biden has in the past 5 combined. Real evil they are.
Let me ask readers here , where was the outrage when people at the DNC in Denver this year, saw Michelle Malkin and began shouting in unison , ” Kill Michelle Malkin!!” ?
And Blurb, She wasn’t blaming BHO for the current woes, just citing what his history is and how it would not be the best solution to the current mess.
I don’t have a dog in this fight. I think both parties are taking this country in the wrong direction and clearly have their own political livelihoods placed on a higher priority that what is best for the country.
There are plenty of strong, legitimate reasons not to support either party. It just seems that the most insignificant and petty reasons are always cited first.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:15 am
I’m terrified of the rhetoric coming out of and being tolerated by the McCain-Palin campaign. I don’t find that a petty reason not to support McCain. I find the lies, the hate, and intolerance to be unspeakable and a very good reason to be 100% against them. The President of the USA not only leads the country but represents us to the world. I hate to think of a White House that would perpetuate this type of mindset or even tolerate it. Finally, I would hope that McCain would quash at least the hate and intolerance but sadly, I think that he is too desperate to address it.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:46 am
Andreerah,
Do you really think either side is above this Fray? McCain immediately distanced and rejected right-wing idiots calling Obama a Muslim (my opinion is so what if he is ? ).
Palin was accused of claiming her daughter’s baby for her own by DailyKos. And the BHO went to their convention. Obama has used his organization and threats of legal actions to squash opposition voices. What will he do when he has the Justice Department under his rule?
These are nasty, dirty, slimy campaigns. Both sides are using these despicable methods and to accuse only one side is naive.
October 7th, 2008 at 11:55 am
ikarl67 - I should have been more clear. The Palins are still in the top 10% of income earners in the United States. Now that she’s on the national stage she’ll probably get book deals and speaking engagements that propel her over the $250k mark regardless of her campaign’s success. But my point was that we have a dissonance where the Republican party tries to say there’s not much difference between the top 10% and people trying to scrape by with two minimum wage earners.
I won’t get into charitable donations since I think that’s tacky and we don’t learn much from it. Tithing is as much a charitable donation as donating to a food bank. And there’s not really a way to know if that charitable donation goes to feeding the poor or buying a stained glass window.
I hadn’t heard about the “Kill Michelle Malkin” thing. From what I can tell it appears it was somehow related to Alex Jones (or agent’s trying to discredit him depending on your conspiracy leanings), who would probably take issue with being in anyway associated with the DNC. This definitely would not be condoned by the Obama campaign, nor has the Obama campaign said or done anything to incite its followers against Michell Malkin.
Republicans always try to find some .001% of Democrats behavior to justify the high percentage of bad behavior in their own party.
October 7th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
iKarl67 - I have a very hard time with folks naming Obama a terrorist and calling for his death and I find it very different than gossiping (which it is) about whether Palin’s youngest child is actually hers. Of course, this is my opinion, how I view the situation at hand, and that is it. I’m glad that McCain has distanced himself from somewhat similar attacks in the post (and I agree, who cares what his religion is) and would hope McCain would do the same here. That’s all.
October 7th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
I *never* thought the day would come that I’d hate a politician more than I hate Bush… that day has arrived. Palin is TRULY frightening.
October 7th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
If you think some nut shouting “kill him” is bad, what do you think of associating with someone who has certainly tried, perhaps successfully, to actually kill for political reasons?
Bill Ayers set out to hurt, kill and frighten people who didn’t agree with him. He’s never repented, never apologized. This country is sturdily protected from totalitarianism by its disgust for acts like Ayers’. Obama could have added his own revulsion to the common bulwark and foregone any association with such a creep, but chose instead to overlook the inconvenient history of a politically helpful figure.
I don’t know exactly what the relationship tells us about Obama, but it’s seems clear that he and I bring very different values to such people. And on the ostracism of murderous jackals like Ayers — worse than jackals, who only survive by prey — mine are the only values I can find reasonable. I regret that there is a single person in our society would so much as smile at such a man — one who, I repeat, has never repented his crimes. He shouldn’t be “condemned in the strongest possible terms”, he should be shunned by every literate household, and certainly not countenanced and sought after in Hyde Park salons. I’d sooner go to prison than serve on a board with such creature.
The press has assiduously overlooked this poisonous, spineless opportunism, this social-climbing countenance of radically chic brutality. And Milbank has the nerve to notice some boorish behavior against his colleagues? What a weasel.
No aspect of the Obama myth infuriates me as this does. Do you know how we avoid totalitarianism in this country? By spitting when speaking the name of the likes of Bill Ayers. Only thus will we teach our children that you never, NEVER, *EVER* lift a hand against another man for daring to disagree with you.
And I do not understand how any thoughtful person can have any other opinion on the matter.
October 7th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
ikarl67: You’re not including monies that the Palin’s have in investments and investment properties. This is not income and wouldn’t be counted as such but it does contribute to their net worth, which exceeds 1 million bucks. To claim that she is a member of the ‘Joe Six Pack’ class is disingenuous.
And to nobody (clever name there…): Ayers is now a respected member of his community and while that certainly does not make his past actions okay, to insinuate, as your party has, that the man is currently a terrorist is ridiculous. All charges against Ayers were dropped when he turned himself in and he’s never been convicted of a crime. And to imply that these two men are close acquaintances is insane as well. They served on a charitable board together. They live in the same neighborhood and this guilt by association bit, throwing the two in the same terrorist boat, is grasping at best. That’s like saying that because I live in the same neighborhood as a child molester, I condone that behavior or that even worse, I ‘pal around with’ child molesters.
And these arguments coming from the McCain/Palin ticket (Palin specifically) about Obama’s associations making him unfit to lead are infuriating coming from a ticket that has their own issues. McCain, though cleared, was implicated in exercising poor judgment in the Keating 5 scandal…and the man at the top of that WAS convicted for throwing away money that the people who earned it will never reclaim, while Ayers was never prosecuted for ANY wrongdoing. McCain sat on the Senate Select Committee (in all fairness, so did Kerry, who is at fault here too) that denied there were still fellow POWs in Vietnam while knowing full well that was not the case. Palin made a video for and her husband was a member of the Alaska Secessionist Party. Palin worships with a man that convinced an entire town, through the guise of religion, that a woman there was responsible for traffic fatalities and they drove her away in a most disgusting way that is not religious at all.
This shouldn’t be about mud-slinging though. I have no issue with overlooking the PAST transgressions that I described…if one or the other party doesn’t make this election about the past. In fact, I agree with you — Ayers should be condemned…but he has not been and he now serves on charitable boards that do immense good. That’s life. I’m sure we could find many Republicans in the same position, who in the past weren’t the greatest of humans but that now work the betterment of society. In my opinion, Ayers in just clearing out all his bad karma. It’s not an excuse for his involvement in the Weathermen but he was never accused of murdering anyone, he was never convicted, and to claim that Obama has close ties with the man is just…well, it’s ludicrous.
I realize the “Obama myth infuriates’ you…but as it stands today, the McCain myth is infuriating to most Americans and to jump on the negative bandwagon with your party members and ticket leaders smacks of being more concerned about winning an election than moving America forward…
October 7th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Homegrown, if you understood the arguments for utterly rejecting people like Ayers, you would agree. I try to avoid such statements, but this is the 1+1=2 of our politics.
The question of Obama’s relationship is related but separate — I can imagine that Obama now understands that he got this wrong, or hadn’t thought it through, or was blinded by ambition. Or even that there is really nothing to the relationship. I imagine you’re trying to conceive some rehabilitation of Ayers so Obama’s error is less egregious — and actually, it’s exactly that sort of rehabilitation that makes these associations so dangerous.
Ayers — or rather his philosophy, the man himself is a spinelss incompetent wannabe — is a very real step on a slippery slope to a very bad place. Horrors like Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein can’t succeed without gunsels like Ayers, and look a lot like them in the embryo. As such, they are an enemy to any reasoned person. We mustn’t harm them, outside of the Law, and don’t need to — but we are safe only to the degree to which we reject them.
Talking about his good works and respectability before he has repented comforts the next assassin in embryo that there is some way back, even after he steps on the dark road.
October 7th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
I’m am not, in any way, trying to “conceive some rehabilitation of Ayers”. I was simply trying to point out that, as you even said was possible, there is really no relationship between the two men at all. And furthermore that for a man such as McCain to cast stones and to attempt to use this guilt by association bit to turn the page on the economy because that take of it is obviously not helping him in the polls, is just ridiculous. And obviously you must get that. If you didn’t you’d have tried to refute what I said.
And shit dude, Ayers may be an ignorant ass who did some pretty despicable things (regardless of what he’s done with his life since then)…but Pol Pot? Saddam? Hitler? Seriously?!
Again, the American people aren’t buying into it…I’m just not sure why McCain/Palin are so insistent on pushing it when it didn’t work the first time.
October 7th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
I’m aghast at the people defending McCain and Palin. Truly horrified. I just don’t get it.
October 7th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
The problem with Ayers is that he has been unrepentant. And while Obama associations with him do noot make him a terrorist, his other osociations with people who hate America are cause for concern.
Ayers was not “just aguy in his neighborhood” He was a punch in for Obama’s ticket through the South Side liberal machine of Chicago.
Lesley, I wont defend McCain on ISSUES that I find him completely wrong on. Cap and Trade, immigration reform, McCain Feingold. I am aghast at Obama’s supporters who are completely incapable of critical thought. Not just incapable of critical thought for themselves, but intolerant of any critical thought at all towards their candidate. That is what is really scary.
October 7th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Excuse my typing/ spelling / grammatical errors. I was left behind
October 8th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Am I late to the party with this link regarding Sarah Palin and the rape kit controversy?
http://mediamatters.org/columns/200810070007?f=h_top
October 8th, 2008 at 6:15 am
“but Pol Pot? Saddam? Hitler? Seriously?!”
Go read what I wrote. The point isn’t that Ayers is as dangerous as that, but that people like are a necessary condition for them.
October 8th, 2008 at 9:20 am
@nobody, Don’t you mean Ayers was dangerous?
From the elitist newspaper article that Sarah Palin (non-elite) quoted (out of context):
This is stupid and desperate. P.S. McCain lost last night’s debate.
October 8th, 2008 at 10:05 am
No doubt that McCain lost. What the hell was the promise to buy bad mortgages? How the hell could anyone ever call McCain a conservative?
Maybe conservatives have left ME behind.
In the context of the current economic crisis, the Ayeres association is desperate. I do think it is relevant that he has been very tolerant of those who hate America and has placed some of these people in positions of influence to him.
In fairness, bringing McCain’s Keating association is desperate as well. McCain has at least expressed remorse for that association.
I refuse to vote against anyone.
October 8th, 2008 at 10:42 am
@ikarl67, Comparing the damages of the Keating 5 to Ayers past is ridiculous. Ayers has changed his ways.
Since the Keating 5 has to do with the economy: McCain insisted until too recently that everything was great with the economy.
Terrorism: Obama has repeatedly said he’d take out Osama Bin Laden. I can’t see that as somehow coddling terrorists. The conservatives are losing this election.
I’m not sure I’d call the Keating 5 thing desperate. I’d call it a counter jab, just to make sure that there isn’t a repeat of the Swift Boat scenario from 2004. I can’t fault the Dems for fighting back. It’s about time.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Amen John!
I thank you very kindly for giving us (yes even those who disagree with your position as well as my own) a place to discuss even the smallest of issues pertaining to this election.
I found myself screaming at the television while falling asleep last night watching that debate! Something about hearing all that drivle irritated me right out of a cold medicine induced slumber! Wow McCain has gotten desperate!
October 8th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
What I think is very troubling from all of you that keep praising Obama is that you already think the man is completely truthful. Bottom line, he says it, then it must be so. Give me an effin’ break. He’s a POLITICIAN. The bad, bad thing is that he’s been caught lying numerous times, or skirting the truth about his associations and his record and all kinds of other stuff. He has a cameleon’s ability to turn pretty much anything someone questions him on just by repeating it back and then saying he didn’t know about it or that simply wasn’t the case. For his followers, that’s all that’s needed…”Well, ok, Mr. Obama, whatever you say.”
It’s fine to support a platform. It’s fine to have your beliefs. But to give such blind allegiance to someone who hasn’t even taken office yet is plain scary. The man will turn this country socialist as everyone breathes a sigh of relief their man got into the White House. With a Democratic Congress too, where are the checks and balances. Hell, where have they been for years. But at least with two opposing sides in control, they somewhat keep the other in check.
I know many liberals love the socialist movement. Hell, they salivate over the thought. I for one do not. And I am pretty much convinced the nation I love will soon be a thing of the history books as we nationalize private business and finance, health care and raise entitlements across the board. If Obama wasn’t soooo extreme left on every frigin’ thing then I might tolerate him more. But he simply isn’t and never has been. I don’t think many of you Obama supporters realize what you’re supporting. It’s like my mama always said, be careful what you wish for.
It’s been often said, and is eerily becoming true it seems, that once this nation has more people on the doll than are working then it will collapse. I fear we are headed there. All this financial mess stems from people being “helped”. Oh, how they were helped. And look where it got us. Now not only are they being screwed, those of us who work hard and do what we are supposed to are being screwed too…and yet we help them more! Where is the incentive for anyone to do well for themselves…take responsibility for thier own action? There isn’t any because the government sweeps in and helps no matter how amazingly selfish and stupid they were. I’m sick of it. A hand out here, another there, a leg up…to where???? If being successful is evil and will be punished, then what the hell is the incentive to strive to be successful. If you know that half your income will be taken by the government if you make over a set amount, then why would you ever want to make more? Oh, I know…so everyone is equal…that’s communism. Lovely.
In terms of his coddling terrorists…look it up. There are years of articles written about this man and who he’s aligned himself with…all Islamic extremist sympathizers or anti-semitic or anti-American. Funny, in all my years, I’ve never once just happened across and hung out with casually with ANY body with those kinds of leanings. I think one would be hard pressed to say Obama didn’t keep himself away from those types…for a reason. I shudder to think what reason that might be. I know, I know…we’re all crazy…conspiracy theorists, right wing whatevers. I hope to hell we are crazy. Because if we aren’t then this nation is doomed.
October 8th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
@faydean, for me to take anything you’ve just written in any kind of serious way, you’ll need to provide back up for each of these claims you’ve just made:
1) “he’s been caught lying numerous times, or skirting the truth about his associations and his record and all kinds of other stuff”
Prove it. I know you are angry because it appears that Obama is going to win this election. Believe me, I’ve been angry, too these past eight years. I understand where that comes from. But just saying a person is bad isn’t enough. I’ve tried to provide links (sure, even partisan ones) to back up my claims. I can’t say the same for conservatives who have left comments here.
Have there been misstatements in debates and ads? Oh hell yes. FROM BOTH SIDES. But of the two people we have to chose from, Obama is far better than McCain.
2) “There are years of articles written about this man and who he’s aligned himself with…all Islamic extremist sympathizers or anti-semitic or anti-American.”
Prove it. Three links. From any reputable (I’d even accept links to FoxNews or other Rupert Murdoch properties) source
3) “If Obama wasn’t soooo extreme left on every frigin’ thing then I might tolerate him more.”
Name three to five things that demonstrate Obama is “extreme left”.
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I agree with you that firms marketing loans to people who could not afford them (and those same people signing the loans) screams lack of oversight and screams of greed.
Finally, one of the worst things that happened after 9/11 was that Bush had a chance to unite this country. He and his people (Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld) chose to divide it and start a misguided war. McCain isn’t the person to take us forward and repair the damage of the last 8 years. Obama is. I don’t think we’ll be close to the feared socialist state you mention. Part of the “rescue” package is that we own parts of these companies. I’m not 100% sold on the notion of this package or that which it claims to fix.
Thanks for all your comments.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Jon,
I appreciate your graciousness. Truly, I try and not be silly or unreasonable when I comment here. I do, like you I’d guess, get rather emotional about my views at times. However, I wouldn’t bother posting anything here if I didn’t feel compelled to try and show another view or that you were not a fair or reasonable enough of a person to hear another view. It’s the former journalist in me that provokes me, lol…has to be because otherwise I’d just keep to myself.
So, after having written a huge response, that I accidentally deleted due to exhaustion, I will take your challenge. Bear with me, because I want to be thoughtful in my response, so it might be a couple of days. I don’t want to cite things that you could deem just sensationalistic or whatever. It’s not like I’m trying to change your vote. It’s more like when a lawyer is trying to put the question of reasonable doubt into a juror’s head. I have my own qualms about McCain…hell about all of them. I’m ashamed about our government…our country right now. It’s like when your kid acts like a dolt in public…and you know they can be so much more than that silly acting ass that has no regard for anyone else. Ya know? We are capable of more as a country. Now whether McCain, Obama or someone yet unnamed, lol, can bring that out in us…I simply don’t know. None of us do really. If we did have any way of telling I would guess we would be in better shape right now, dontcha think?
Just so you know, as a former Democrat, my main beef with the party is that it has become too far left, mostly regarding entitlement programs etc. I’ve got my own reasons for this, which I just wrote about at length but am far too tired now to retype.
I decided to vote Republican…become Republican this year…because I didn’t have any other choice, LOL (I’m asking Santa for a third party this Christmas). I want less government (McCain is looking less and less like a conservative than he even did before, which is saying a whole helluva alot regarding this) and that is the party that strives for that. No, I don’t like other parts of the party’s platform. But I weighed my choices and felt that I could not, any longer, side myself with the liberal platform. If you are interested why, I’d be glad to tell you. It’s not because of any reason you might think…no anti-gay, anti-abortion, pro-gun, religious leanings. As I’ve said before, I am not any of those things. I can’t recall what I commented before about myself, but let’s just say I’m very socially liberal. I may have written this before (but I always tell it because it is the true benchmark for how liberal my friends and family say I am, LOL)… My “maid of honor” was a gay man, and my husband’s best man was gay. And we were married by the best man’s Baptist minister father in a church (I’m an atheist). If that alone doesn’t make me a poster child for the Democratic party, then I don’t know what would, ha,ha. I’m also pro-choice, hate guns, and was an environmentalist for years. I know, totally confusing. Considering those points, my lifelong liberal friends go, “Ok, then you must have a GOOD reason for making this change…what is it?” Which is what I consider you to be asking me in a way now. So, since you were kind enough to ask, I will answer you in a respectful way.
If I didn’t respect you and Heather as much as I do, I wouldn’t even bother arguing these things. But I do. I think you two are alot like me and my husband. Well, but for the fact that he is a life long conservative and has converted me after 18 years, LOL.
So, as a peace offering for any malcontent I might have given you in my previous comments, LOL…here’s a few music things you might like. Knowing how well versed you are on music I doubt I’m cluing you in on anything new. But nonetheless…
Btw, I’d be curious if you guys like the Avett Brothers. I just went to one of their shows and it was one of the best I’ve ever been to.
http://www.myspace.com/blitzentrapper
(all the songs in the sample player are good. I LOVE “Furr” and “Texaco” reminds me alot of T Rex).
http://www.myspace.com/horsefeathersmusic
My fav is “Curs in the Weeds”
http://www.myspace.com/jolieholland
“Mexico City” is amazing
http://www.myspace.com/twosheds
“You”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIF-WriKWjY
Ok, I must turn in…six year old gets her first eye exam with dilation tomorrow because she’s diabetic. Should be tons o fun