Cheney, Jr.?
October 11th, 2008This can’t be good for the McCain/Palin campaign:
Republicans on defensive after probe accuses Palin of abuse - Yahoo! News
Alaska Inquiry Concludes Palin Abused Powers - NYTimes.com
Palin denies she abused power - CNN.com
Note the editorializing and punctuation use to appease the base here:
Panel: Palin Abused Her Power in Firing of Commissioner - FOXNews.com Elections
At least McCain is telling people to knock off the personal attacks and death threats. Republicans, you aren’t looking good. You look scared and ignorant. o
Tags: 2008 presidential election, conservative angst, McCain, Palin, troopergate
Cheney in lipstick.
One word: bwaahaaahaaa.
Have you seen the new Palin signs - with red lips and the words ‘I LIKE HER’…They’ve become popular in Ohio.
Oh for pity’s sake. I think the ruling said something like “by not keeping her husband reigned in she was guilty by default.” Oh, what the fuck ever. Wonder how much Obama paid the judge to at least write something that sort of looked like she did something wrong…right before the election.
You support a terrorist sympathizing, socialist liar but you hate some woman whose husband tried to get some abusive ex-brother in law fired?? So convenient, your judgement, when it only relates to the opposing side. I’d say you’d be better off taking a closer look around home, ie your candidate. I can’t wait until six months to a year from now when, if he’s elected, all the shit hits the fan regarding how he sucks as much, if not more, than Bush. I think most of us conservatives have just decided you guys should get your way and have Obama. I think that is exactly what needs to happen. Because when it does and the country falls to hell it will only tear your party apart, but will reignite the conservative party for the next election when we can finally get this country back on track…hmm, maybe with Palin in the lead role next time!
And in response to your video of Obama PROTESTERS. Those people in line were just waiting. I suppose if you were waiting in line and there were a bunch of McCain protesters…oh, nevermind. Conservatives who have some damn sense don’t stand around ranting uselessly like liberals do. What, no bleach to throw on the old people this time???
Again, what the FUCK ever Jon…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI
Pot calling kettle black and all that.
Wow, faydean, troll much?
Just remember: Jesus loves you, but he loves me better.
Peace out.
Faydean, first of all, quit swinging around the terrorist thing. Your ig’nant is showing. Many people support Bill Ayers. He is an outstanding leader in the field of education and has taken great steps to turn his life around since. If you actually looked up his life SINCE the weathermen, and how badly misconstrued the interview I’m sure you’ll come back quoting was, maybe you’d understand. But probably not.
Secondly, I think it’s hysterical you post a video link to a crowd labeled as “intellectuals” yelling “Wake up!” and “BOOOOO!” and “GO HOME!” That’s it? That’s ALL THEY GOT? Wow, I was expecting something EXTREMIST! Those silly Obama supporters.
Meanwhile, the conservative side is out painting an AMERICAN CITIZEN, NAMED AFTER HIS FATHER, as a terrorist, because his name sounds kinda like those gosh-darn islamic radicalists, dont’cha know.
“FACT: The number of middle fingers in a ‘progressive’ crowd is directly proportional to the number of PhDs in a ten-block radius.” (From your video link)
Hmm. And all those smart people, with those shiiiiiny college diplomuhs, are voting Obama, it seems. Makes ya think, huh?
There’s an ASTRONOMICAL difference between opposing a candidate and vocalizing your dissent, and acting like an asshole. McCain/Palin are hardly painting themselves as the rational conservatives they want to be seen as. And their supporters are a fascinating representation of a hive-mind. Afraid of what they don’t know or understand.
I firmly believe that those who are calling Obama “terrorist,” “socialist,” “communist” are just scared to death that a black man is about to be elected president. (Please God let it be so!)
The people marching at the McCain rally that Heather put in one of her tweets are the same way. This isn’t about these people worried that Obama is actually going to turn the country over to terrorists, convert the world to Islam or anything else. That is so absolutely crazy and they know it. They are just saying that because they know what would happen if they said what really bothers their racist hearts–”We don’t want a black (read racial epithet here) President.
Wumples…
First off, if someone from the liberal side says someone from the conservative side is ignorant one more time I think we might bailout the economy…I want a fucking dime for every time I hear this assinine argument. Liberals do not have the market cornered on intellect, my friend (nod to McCain there). That is for SURE. But I appreciate the flimsy attempt. It makes it very evident you guys are grasping, arrogantly, just like your messiah Obama.
To say that Ayers is a respected anything is beyond disgusting. He bombed his own country. That to me spells felon. That to me spells traitor. That to me spells someone who doesn’t deserve a right to vote or to be a free citizen. He’s only walking around “turning his life around” because of a wire tapping screw up by the Feds. Otherwise, he’d be sitting in Guantanomo right now, as he should be. I’m sure you’d defend him there too, wouldn’t you? And I would think just as less of those others who support Ayers, as you put it, as I do Obama. After 9/11, I generally don’t hold much favor for ANYONE, past or present, that would act in a terrorist way towards this nation. And I watched an interview with the lovely Ayers family on 48 Hours where they BOTH said they didn’t regret it…wished they’d been MORE militant. I think it was done three years ago. Oh, yes, he sure is turning his life around.
Here’s a stark difference between the video Jon posted and the one I linked to. Well, not that different actually since Obama supporters are acting like the assholes they always act like. But the McCain supporters in my video are walking silently. The Obama people are yelling and cursing them with no prompting. Again, in the video Jon put up, there are those lovely, compassionate libs yelling and screaming. Of course, it only becomes “nasty” when the conservatives finally just say shut the fuck up already and fight back.
The vitriol is always from the liberal side. And personally I’m glad to see the generally restrained Republicans finally getting pissed off enough to say something about it. Hell, if we lose the election then at least we went down fighting.
And if your beloved Obama is an American citizen then why is there a lawsuit right now over this citizenship? He apparently was adopted by his step-father in Indonesia, which doesn’t allow for dual citizenship and would have automatically, via the marriage to his step-father, made his mother’s U.S. citizenship be revoked under Indonesian law. Unless Obama he got unadopted, then there is no way he could be a U.S. citizen unless he was naturalized, which he wasn’t. That bit of a technicality would make him ineligible for running for the presidency. But I’m sure, like with everything else regarding Obama’s past, it’s been conveniently taken care of. Of course, it will probably not make it through the courts, since the DNC keeps trying to stop it, until after the election. Hope you really like Biden because it may turn out Obama wasn’t even supposed to be able to hold office to begin with.
Lastly, three points.
“Hive-mind”…OMG, that truly is the pot calling the kettle…liberals are so much of a hive, they buzz when you’re near them. More like moths…when George Clooney or Streisand speak you guys start swarming.
And the race card…actually speaks to the other commenter…I wish I had a dime for this pathetic argument too. This is what we have to look forward to if Obama is in the presidency…he does shit wrong for this country and someone calls him on it and it will be because he’s black. Boy, I can’t wait to listen to this for four years. Bush was a moron and now we’ll have to be deemed racist if we disagree with Obamamesiah. I’d run to Canada if they weren’t already socialist!
I also love how you assume I don’t read or research anything so as to give an informed opinion. I guess only you libs, since one of your leaders invented the Net anyway, are the only ones who can use a computer. Duh, how does this thing work…maybe I should call Al Gore and ask him.
You are right about one thing Wumples. I surely am afraid of that I don’t understand. I don’t understand liberals and I surely don’t understand Obama. And because of that, I, and many millions of other Americans are scared shitless.
Dr. Koob
It’s not that I don’t want a “black (whatever epithet your sick mind might think I would insert) president.”
I don’t want a dishonest and socialist president.
faydean, honey, why don’t you get a mint julep and chill?
All the vitriol seems to be coming from you.
Oh, and for a writer, your spelling and grammar could use a little editing.
Just sayin’…
@faydean, Compare and contrast.
Your video of McCain supporters being harassed in New York:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQalRPQ8stI
McCain supporters on their way to a rally:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us
Who sounds worse? Forget ideology. The McCain supporters are using worse language all around. WTF ever, indeed. McCain supporters look and sound more ignorant. I’m not proud of the New Yorkers, to be sure. Weak display as far as I’m concerned. However, no racial epithets, no religious misinformation and a generally less vitriolic response.
You seem angrier now. McCain/Palin are going to lose. McCain has made a lot of errors in his campaign and I think the country doesn’t want a repeat of Cheney; a vice president who routinely positioned himself and the president above or outside the law. Big brother was ushered in not under a “socialist liberal” but a fundamentalist christian republican and a vice president who sees himself as outside of the law. Palin is cut from the same cloth and McCain blew it by picking her as his running mate.
Given the tone of the anger coming from the conservatives this past week, it’s almost like we’re one step closer to burning crosses. You can’t deny the racial overtones coming out. People can’t use the words they want, so they pick other ones.
faydean, you can attack me or others in these comments, but the facts remain: McCain is blowing it and the polls show it.
Haha. One of our side invented the Net. Spin, spin, spin, baby! I don’t ASSUME you don’t do your research, the stuff coming from your fingertips shows me so. Maybe you should look up that little “internet invention” gem, too?
Group topic: Yes, Obama’s black, and people who support him will be sure to remind us just how black he is for four years if he wins. Hey, wait a minute. Kind of like how when everyone was picking on Palin, it was because of her vagina? Because she was a giiiiiirl? Because she was a mommy? Not, y’know, because she abused her power as governor over family matters, fumbled a budget of federal funds allocated for a bridge (FOR FIFTY PEOPLE), and speaks as though she didn’t graduate the eighth grade. All about those girly-bits. That’s SEXISM!
And as far as the Obamamessiah bit, just stop. Really, stop. Quit putting words in my mouth. In the great words of the Dooce, “Interesting how some people say that we consider Obama to be a divine savior when all we ever said was that he’s reasonable.” I have never once claimed the guy was perfect - merely an obvious choice over the alternative.
We could sit here and argue for days and days and days and days, but I think everyone gets the point. You like McPalin. And I don’t. Obama’s a dirty terror-lovin’ socialist, and I’m a heathen asshole liberal. Got it.
Iunknown
I don’t drink.
Don’t patronize the Southerner. It ain’t nice. (sarcasm in a major effin’ way).
I’m a writer sure. But when I’m commenting I don’t generally spellcheck and grammar check. Hell, most of ya’ll (southern sarcasm yet again) don’t, so why should I. It’s the frigin’ net, not a thesis.
wumples,
I was being sarcastic about Al Gore. I guess that totally went over your head. I was saying that in reference to your crap about Ayers being reformed.
“Obama’s a dirty terror-lovin’ socialist, and I’m a heathen asshole liberal. Got it.”
Good. Then my job here is done.
It’s y’all.
But seriously: Obama is going to win, and the world is not going to end.
The slime merchants on Fox will gear up, but maybe this time you and others like you who find Obama so loathesome will step outside the warped little box Rupert Murdoch and Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and Powerline and Matt Drudge built for you and take the time to look at things objectively, with all the nuance and mess that comes with the real world.
Objectively.
Without emotion, without rancor, without partisanship.
I’m looking for someone who speaks to our better natures, who can inspire us to work together to make the world a better place, to lead us into the 21st century and away from fear, poverty, war, and ignorance.
Can you honestly say John McCain is that person?
Jon,
You are right on one thing. I am definitely angrier. I’m hopin that McCain will become angrier too.
Which sounds worse? Well, let’s see…BOTH. That was my point Jon. Dooce put this in her Twitter as if to say, “Oh, please let us pray that the Democrats save us from this horrible kind of behavior.” For lack of a better phrase, again, give me a break. The Dems have shown themselves to be wreckless, harassing sling mongers way more than the conservatives. You can’t say otherwise. That is just the nature of the beast between the two groups. I’m sorry, I know alot of conservatives. Hell, so do you. How many, as a large group, have you ever seen yelling and ranting at liberals? Be honest here.
In your video those people were vitriolic sure. But I think it’s just the past year of seething anger finally coming out. I don’t say they’re right. I just can see how, while being yelled at and provoked, they would lose it. It is coming out in the rallies too. Sure. And why shouldn’t it? We’ve watched liberals march over the world bank stuff and environmental crap and all kinds of other stuff. Gosh, if there is any reason for a bunch of hemp wearing, granolaites to come out in a group to march and chant, they’ll do it, especially if they can smoke a few joints and play some hacky sack. Remember, I’m a reformed liberal…not like I didn’t join in that crap when I was in my 20s (I say ashamedly). I always joke that the reason liberals are so socialist leaning is simply because of the word…rallies and protests are just one big excuse to have a (social)party and smoke some pot for most of them. Hell, most liberals I was around when I was younger would protest and then never go vote. It would be that is was too early before class, they were too hungover or just couldn’t be bothered with standing in the lines “man.” Um, hello young democratic hypocrisy. I’m sure it’s still alive and well so don’t be so sure on how much of lead your guy will have on election day. It will be close, for sure. And there will be lawsuits galore. And don’t even go there about the ACORN thing. We have a right to call question to this election just like YOU did in the Democratic party regarding Gore. If it’s close, there will be much litigation.
And I totally agree that we’re gonna lose. I’ve resigned myself to that horrible truth. And I believe, as do most conservatives, that McCain effed up majorly by holding back all these months. He’s beein walking the line of not wanting to cross over into, oh, hello, being perceived as a racist. Guess that instinct was right, because THE moment he becomes more aggressive here comes a congressman comparing him to George Wallace. I would hope you wouldn’t defend that Jon. My point is, if this was really a race issue, you would have seen it all along. And you simply haven’t. It’s a desperate ploy from Obama because he’s scared some shit will surface about him here at the end. Considering how much evidence is mounting…and Rezko agree to talk to the feds finally, there’s not telling what might pop up. Oh, and I finally saw where Obamamessiah (I can’t help myself now since Farakan just said it a couple of weeks ago) released a statement calling out the abortion thing. Like we didn’t know that was coming…oh those horrible fundmentalist Christians are gonna take away a woman’s right to suck her baby out!!! Yup, race and abortion. Always the last two strongholds of the Democratic party. Love to see them sticking to what they know.
“One step closer to burning crosses”. Oh, my, I think you’ve lost your mind now. Get this straight…quoting your man, “let me be clear”, we don’t give a rats ass what color Obama is (is he even a color…isn’t he more like a tone being that he’s mixed). It’s the FACT that he’s a liar, inexperienced, has extremely BAD judgement, is arrogant, IS a sympathizer to terrorists and radicals and IS a socialist that makes us not like him. You can pull the race card until your hands bleed…but it just shows that deep down you all in the liberal realm know we’re right. You could have done much better in terms of the first black presidential nominee, definitely. This guy IS not it.
IUnknown
Like I said, I concede Obama will probably take it.
I will look at him as objectively as I have George Bush, meaning every time I see him on tv I will change the channel, growl under my breath and leave the room or nearly have a stroke when I hear words leave his mouth. I abhor Bush. Looks like I’ve got four more year of avoiding remembering who our president is ahead of me.
Do I think McCain is it? Well, do I have another choice? Can I get Ron Paul on the ballot as a write in?
I have to ( because I don’t think not voting is really great…though I’ve done it before, did last time in fact) because there are no other choices.
There is Obama…OMG, the list of why not is so long and I can’t type that much without my hands falling off.
There is McCain…for months I didn’t even really pay much attention to him. I liked Paul. I liked Thompson. I figured I’d just have to wait and see who got the nomination and then go from there, which is what I did. I didn’t want to not vote again because of two shitty choices, so I decided to back McCain. And when he added that “horrible” Sarah Palin, I stood up and cheered and said, hell yeah…let’s get this party started. I don’t think like her in most ways. But I LIKE her. I’ve said why and that’s that. If I had to choose between her and Hillary, I’d rather have my eyes pecked out than be forced to go with Clinton Lite. I can’t stand her. Even when I supported and liked her husband (past tense…he gives me the creeps as time goes by) I hated her.
I regret now not giving Huckabee more of a consideration actually.
But there’s my lot…Obama or McCain. Definitely McCain. I think he’s honorable, and that means alot as far as I’m concerned. I do value his service to this country. I think he has the best intentions, which is something Bush never even came close to having. I think he wants to put this country back on track, whatever that means. I don’t want government in my life. I hate that McCain backed the bailout and is being way too moderate when it comes to the Republican’s desires on these issues. I don’t vote on social change. I vote on policies and governmental issues. I want them in Washington D.C., not in my pocket book, bedroom, church (even though I don’t attend church) school, car, grocery store, Internet. I want them where they are supposed to be according to our Constitution. Does anybody even think about that document anymore?
Apparently not.
Come November I will take a deep breath, hold my nose and see how long I can stay under until 2012. Again, what choice do I have? You Dems know my pain having dealt with W. these past 8 years, though I was right along there with ya. I do, seriously, consider McCain a continuation of Bush. They really, in terms of the Republican party, are not any more similiar than say Barrack and Hillary. Just because they both wear the same “brand” they are not really the same at all. That’s a big misconception from the left for sure. In fact, I once told a liberal friend…as an example…for him to consider what/how Jesse Jackson acted that one time regarding Obama. He was all nice and united for the press/public, but behind closed doors he loathed the guy. That’s Bush and McCain, seriously. John won’t continue Bush’s policies because he doesn’t like the guy either.
Faydean - lest you forget that McCain was a dumbass who knew idiot Palin was under investigation BEFORE he selected her. She cooperated then but changed her tune after the nomination. There was never a doubt that something was amiss and yet you sit here whining and being pissed off because it was proven? GIVE ME A BIG FUCKING BREAK! You damn conservatives are the biggest hypocrites I have ever seen! Fuck up all you want but don’t let someone find you guilty of it…..and all that!
Oh - by the way - today in the grocery store you were in the company of an acquitted murderer - therefore I must consider you a murderous bitch by association. Yeah that sounds totally fucking stupid but you know - if it a lie gets told often enough - you’ve proven you’ll believe it!
You’re now only proving what a ranting, raving lunatic you truly are. We’re not surprised though - this is what happens when reality sets in! Itiots get pissed! hahahahaha
faydean: Gosh, if there is any reason for a bunch of hemp wearing, granolaites to come out in a group to march and chant, they’ll do it, especially if they can smoke a few joints and play some hacky sack. Remember, I’m a reformed liberal…not like I didn’t join in that crap when I was in my 20s (I say ashamedly). I always joke that the reason liberals are so socialist leaning is simply because of the word…rallies and protests are just one big excuse to have a (social)party and smoke some pot for most of them. Hell, most liberals I was around when I was younger would protest and then never go vote. It would be that is was too early before class, they were too hungover or just couldn’t be bothered with standing in the lines “man.”
How very small minded and ugly of you. I hope you know you sound like a fool in that small paragraph. You cannot be taken seriously.
It just amazes me how hateful you get, faydean. I’m not any of the things you accuse Democrats of being, but you’re so wrapped up in rage that you no longer have the ability to see how small and cruel you sound. I’m sure you can find endless examples on youtube of hateful people from both parties, but it makes me genuinely sad that you feel compelled to do so.
My life is full of Democrats and Republicans. I’ve suffered a thousand disappointments in the last eight years under Bush/Cheney, and I’m so relieved that not one of those ever made me level such venom at my Republican friends, acquintances, and family members. Now that they, like you, feel sure McCain is losing, none of them has said a harsh word to me, either.
Our differences don’t have to make us hurtful and insulting. You’re choosing that. You don’t post about politics on your own blog, and I have no idea if you go to other blogs to lash out at people as you do here on Jon’s. But these ARE the Armstrongs’ blogs, and if they and their commenters work you into such a rage, maybe you shouldn’t be reading them. Because you’re definitely not debating, and there’s nothing civil about your discourse lately.
Like you, I’m a Southerner. Unlike the people you lump me with and scorn, my liberal beliefs have never been based on laziness, pot smoking, stupidity, blind allegiance to anyone, any interest whatsoever in socialism or communism or any kind of fundamentalism, or a desire to have the government manage my life or anyone else’s. I neither think Obama is a saint nor McCain is a demon. I think McCain is losing because somewhere along the way, he stopped being true to his own convictions and people sense it, and it leaves them unconvinced by his words. I think Palin is woefully lacking in knowledge–NOT experience, and NOT intelligence. I simply mean she hasn’t had to think and analyze on a national or global scale yet. Wouldn’t it be incredible if she spent the next four years really educating herself and came back as a more viable candidate? Because you see, there are plenty of Republican women who are fine leaders and legislators, and there’s no reason why she can’t be one of them. Hopefully she won’t taint the possibility of joining their ranks by acting foolishly now.
You seem so willing to embrace the idea of four years of misery. If Obama and Biden are elected, I hope there will be some good political moments for you, because I know what the last eight years have done to my heart, particularly because I revere the Constitution that you think I don’t understand or respect. That’s why I don’t believe we should change it at the whim of a screaming few. Sometimes, our leaders have to be out of step with those screamers to do the right thing. Lincoln knew that. McCain even knew it once.
Through this campaign, I have continuously sought information on McCain/Palin that might make me feel positive, because I know that if they’re elected, I don’t want to fear that we’re all doomed. Perhaps instead of hurling invective at Obama and Biden and the people who support them, you could find those common places where your beliefs merge with theirs, and it would bring you some peace of mind.
Good luck.
Dang!
As of today, after talking at length with my husband about this, I’ve decided to stop posting here (go ahead, stand up and cheer, LOL). I can’t figure out if you readers are either too stupid to get sarcasm or just don’t have any way of being able to read it via the Net. Either way, this is a fruitless endeavor and one that might serve to really upset Jon, if it hasn’t already. And since I genuinely like him, I don’t want to do that on his blog.
However, it is AMAZING to me that you (meaning some of these commenters) can sit and rant and stereotype conservatives and McCain and Palin and anybody you damn well please, but the moment I call you out as a bunch of bleedin’ heart tree huggers you guys get all tore up. I’m cruel and heartless. Never knew such labels were considered so hurtful by the libs. Very interesting. I’d hate to think how you’d react if I was really mean. (THIS is sarcasm).
For those in my “real” world who know me, they’d be rolling over laughing at the idea that I am either a) ignorant b)care in the least what anyone thinks of me c) mean d) hateful.
I am fed up. True. I am tired of the biases from BOTH sides. I’ve listened to months of ranting liberals and chants of Obama saving us all. Hell, I think someone before even said that…usher us into no war, less fear, blah, blah. He is but a man. He is but an inexperienced man. He isn’t change for the better. He’s just another man in the White House. We haven’t had a great man in the White House since he was shot decades ago. Yes, liberals, one of my greatest hereos is Kennedy…always has been, always will be. But today’s liberal Democrats are a far cry from Kennedy. He’d be ashamed of associating with most of the party today.
I’ve been a follower of politics in my entire life. I’ve worked and volunteered in politics. I’ve been a journalist. This ain’t my first pony ride. I’m probably a bit older than most of you commenting. If you just simply take a look at where this country has come from since WWII you will see a marked decline in what we are as a nation and a people. It started with the Great Depression and is, unfortunately coming full circle. That period in American history was awful and caused the government to do things arbitrarily to save us. The programs of social welfare back then are today’s bailout and entitlements. No one ever really assumed they would be permanent. But they are. And decade after decade since that time, instead of figuring out a better way, we just keep adding to it.
Obama’s economic policy calls for all kinds of tax credits (another word for welfare). For the 45 percent of Americans (easily checked anywhere on the web, that number I mean) that don’t pay a dime in income taxes, that would mean they get money…a check from the government, a subsidy. Who here among you is ok with that? Seriously, and give me cause. I’m not. These people already don’t pay taxes at all. Why do they deserve money from those of us who do? But what Barack doesn’t explain is that to get those credits they will need to actually file out an income tax form to receive those credits. More paperwork, more bureacracy and more a likelihood they won’t even fill out the forms to begin with and receive any money at all. All just a semantical ploy to appease those who want to help the less fortunate…to make this great change. It’s not a change people, it’s a continuation.
Obama says he’ll let the Bush tax cuts expire when he takes office. Ok then, won’t that technically raise taxes for a huge percentage of people…those in the special group he’s targeting, the middle class. HE won’t raise their taxes, he’ll just let Bush’s ghost do it for him.
For all the wonderful social programs Obama promises…that lovely governmental run health care you all are so excited over (don’t get me started since my husband is a doctor), how will he be able to fund that much (I think the number is $800 billion) by only taxing those who make over $250,000? There are plenty of economic sites where you can see the numbers crunched and it simply doesn’t add up. He can’t possibly do what he says he wants to and SAVE the economy on taxing the “rich”. I’d love to see you ask someone making 250K in New York if they’re rich…go ahead, find some New Yorker and ask them if they want their taxes raised. If they do, then they must be thinking of leaving New York and moving, well, probably to Tennessee. We have tons of New Yorkers and Californians already flocking here because we are one of only TWO states in the union without a state income tax. I LOVE Tennessee.
My point is, while you say I haven’t tried to consider Obama, I think most of you simply won’t consider McCain because of some blind allegiance to either your party or this man. Don’t give me the whole mushy crap about wanting to make the world a better place. There are concrete and necessary reasons as to why every person would want either candidate. It can’t just be about “I wanna change the world”. The world is a hard, tough place. I look at Obama and I don’t see him wanting to help anyone other than himself. Does not one of you not see the egotism of this man? I see it in Bush, easily. Don’t like him for that. I see it in Obama too. Not so much in McCain. He’s just an ole vet whose having more of a hard time showing his ferocity.
I truly feel, and I hope I am wrong, believe me I do, that those who support Obama now will get a real wake up call in a few months. I wonder if you all will still be so fierce in your support then. Hell, even I have thought about not voting for McCain simply because he pissed me off voting for that damn bailout. But then I would give my vote away, and I can’t vote Obama. So, I’ve made my choice…the best I’ve got unfortunately.
So, in closing…
Kari-Mel…McCain knowing Palin was being investigated and him still picking her should show you that he knew it was frivolous. And, it is.
I’d only be a murderous bitch if I let that murderer escape the death penalty, which I wouldn’t because I support it. I bet you don’t though. Just sayin’
Funny how you can call me a ranting lunatic. Pot…kettle…I’ve used that too much already.
smokylansdale…I know, I am small minded. I was way more open-minded and nice when I was a Democrat. Take that as seriously as you’d like.
Becky…no I don’t write about politics on my blog (thanks for visiting btw). And you know what, Jon and Heather used to not either. Things can always change. My blog is a record of my family. That’s all I write about, unless it’s music. I posted a pic of my little girl with a McCain shirt…about as political as I’ll get.
I love reading Jon and Heather’s blogs. I wish they’d go back to what they used to write. But until they do, I enjoy debating a bit with Jon. I don’t address anyone other than him when I comment, until I get spoken to directly in comments. I’m sure he gets rather annoyed by my comments. But I honestly think he’s a bright man and has a good ability to barb back and forth with some humility and understanding. I saw how he broached the cross photo deal yesterday…much like I would have probably. I will always be drawn to intelligent people with good taste in music and movies. I know he’s got a good sense of humor. Hell, he’d have to to put us with what he does from this whole Net thang. Anyway, in his comment he could sense my anger. And he’s the only one that I felt compelled to really answer because I think he gets it. We disagree sharply, but I believe we share the same root of where it comes from…a huge appreciation for the process and a belief in the end, HOPEFULLY, it will all work out. So, with that said, I could care less what you, his readers, think of my comments. If he wants to call me out, sure…I’m fine with that. I respect the guy because I’ve come to know him via this blog for a few years. I don’t know ya’ll in the least (unless you’ve got a blog I can visit…and then I might be very inclined to like you too and respectfully (but fiercely and with possibly some cussing) disagree.
Michael…yeah, seriously.
No one in the peanut gallery appreciates my mental picture of the hacky sack playin’ hippie liberals from college? No one. Geez, tough fucking crowd.
Alas, my comments are done. It’s nearing Halloween. I can’t be bothered with this election stuff any longer. I’ve got my Moms for McCain/Plain shirt, I’m volunteering next week at Republican headquarters (my father in law will now be putting me in his will finally) and then I vote. At least one of you will cancel my vote out and vice versa. So there ya go…semantics, all of it.
“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” - Aristotle
P.S. Jon, I would like to know if you liked any of that music. I miss your music posts. You and Heather have turned me on to some great stuff over the years. I heard Sigur Ros for the first time because of Ya’ll!!
Faydean, It is sad when once again, the Republican’s once again can not talk about the facts and just start calling names and racist slurs. At least Obama is willing to talk about the facts and they way he wants to fix the financial mess that we are in today. McCain is has decided that the only way he can will is if the stops talking about how to fix the financial mess, because he has NO idea how to fix it. Instead the only thing he knows how to do is sling mud. That is not going to help anyone. If McCain actually had a plan on anything it would be nice to hear. Now, we have McCain walking backwards because the secret service it now investigating the death threats. So, he is thinking, “oh shit” I better not keep this up. In contrast we have Obama that just focuses on the issues.
@faydean, to correct your assertion that I haven’t written about politics in the past is flat out untrue. In 2004, I posted quite a bit of political stuff.
This election season, Heather has posted twice about politics, both times to underscore that Palin is not ready for the international stage of politics.
I’ve chosen to write more this season for a few reasons: 1) This election season is the most critical of my life thus far; 2) I work for myself (and Heather), so I’m less concerned about upsetting my employer with my opinions; and 3) I’m tired of the free ride that the GOP has gotten the past eight years. The “liberal” media is finally starting to grow some backbone and question the outlandish claims of conservatives with fact and truth.
I have not had a chance to listen to the music links you submitted.
Faydean, after reading rubbish like the following:
“You support a terrorist sympathizing, socialist liar but you hate some woman whose husband tried to get some abusive ex-brother in law fired??”
“that lovely governmental run health care you all are so excited over (don’t get me started since my husband is a doctor), how will he be able to fund that much (I think the number is $800 billion)”
Yeah, all I could come up with is “dang.”
Anyway, I’m sorry that it snowed in Utah.
Blurb, I have actually really enjoyed that facts and comments that you have been posting about your feeling and thoughts on this election. I have enjoyed reading yours and many others articles on the election so that I am able to make an educated decision on who I want to vote for. Now, unfortunately the state that we live in it will not make that much of a difference. Now, on the upside of that. I do think we are going to see a larger number of people voting democratic then this state has seen ever before. I personally hope this will make people look at the state of UT and realize that we are becoming less and less of a republican state. I also agree that for me and my family this is one of the most critical elections that I have ever voted in. There are so many critical issues that need to be quickly addressed or we are going to once again be in a great depression.
I have personally been surprised that Heather has not written more about her thoughts about this election. That being said, I do know that she is concerned about upsetting her family. I have had to deal with he same issue with my family as they are very strong republicans. I also to have had to be careful about what I say in regards to the election around my family. A weeks ago I spoke up about my feeling in regards to Obama and McCain and I was looked at by my entire family as if I had 3 heads. My family was shocked that I was not all gushy about Palin because, “she is going to fight for special needs children and you have three of them.” I laughed and responded with. It will not matter if we can’t fix the problems with the economy and raising federal deficit. As I told my family. When we are in a financial crisis like we are in, it is more about being about to keep my house and feed my children. When things where more financially stable. I was interested in be having program and supports for my special needs children. After, the last special session the funding to help my children was reduced. So now the money that I had for food and housing is now having to go to medical bills and services that are no longer being paid for for my special needs children. It doesn’t matter how much someone is supposedly going to fight for special needs children if there is not money for funding to pay for the programs that is “thinks” she is going to create.
I know you and Heather struggle with the need of having to pay for your Health insurance. Sense, my divorce I have also had to pay for Health insurance out of my pocket. So, this is an issue that I am very interested in and at this point I like the ideas that Obama has more then I like McCain solution to my problem.
Jon, I hope you, Heather and Leta have a nice Sunday.
momross
They are total chickenshits in my mind now - sorry ass Republican morons out stealing Obama signs from people’s yards is an all new low!
Nothing pisses me off more than people not being able to show their support, for whomever it may be, on their own property in a respectful manner.
My “Veterans for Obama” sign is now a thing of the past because someone is scared shitless that he’s going to get elected. Well I hate to tell you people, doing this stupid crap is nothing short of reinforcing the base that is going to vote for him. You’re just simply making us fighting mad!
Tonight a new sign will appear in my front yard - a home made sign statiing
“This family is voting for Obama but the chickenshit Republicans stole my sign!”
On an aside……the “I love her” lips signs are tacky as all hell!
Kari-Mel…
It’s pretty obvious that is happening on both sides.
here
here
here
It wouldn’t take long to find many more reports of sign stealing incidents.
I’m disgusted with both sides of the election and will be happy when this is over.
And yes, the lips signs are really obnoxious.
Well there has never been a worse time to call yourself a republican in my opinion. Then again I am not sure it is a good time to be involved in politics the people just want a change so they will vote for whatever gets them just a little closer. It comes down to a lot of people voting for the lesser of an asshole or not voting at all. The whole thing is old and dated and needs to be overhauled.
Democracy is dying.
I’m sad. Not because of the election–Obama is going to win and I have been supporting him since he announced he was going to run.
No, I’m said for my country, America. I have never seen such openly expressed hate and anger as I have seen in recent weeks from McCain-Palin supporters. It’s reminiscent of Germany during its economic collapse when Hitler rose to power by channeling the same kind of hate and anger into a killing machine.
How can McCain supporters, like faydean, actually defend people who scream out “He’s a terrorist” and “Kill him” (referring to Obama) at rallies when even McCain condemns those statements??? How can the people who are standing in line at the McCain rally in the video even say that it was the “poor people” who created our economic collapse???
I think a previous poster has it right–it all comes down to “I can’t stand having a black man as president because blacks are lower than I am and, therefore, what does that make me if a black cman becomes president? Are black people not a lower form of human that I am? If they’re not, then how do I now make myself feel better about myself if I can’t just blame all my problems on the blacks (and the hispanics).
Ignorant white people are the ones causing many of our country’s problems. They elected Bush and as Stephen Colbert said, ” The last 8 years have been a shitburger”. And now they want to elect McCain and get more of the same.
I am sad.
I couldn’t agree with you more southerngirl!
I don’t think voting for Obama is me trying to make history (for any reason whatsoever) - I think it’s me trying to make sure history (of the last 8 years) doesn’t repeat itself!
Black, white, whatever - Obama is giving us clearer and more respectful answers to our questions, hope that not just those who make much more money that we’ll ever hope to can see a brighter tomorrow, and a sense of light at the end of the tunnel. The other ticket is hate mongering and I find it vile and offensive to think that’s how our politicians feel they have to reach out to us. Sad really. Very, very sad!
I was willing to listen to both sides, until one stopped saying anything worth listening to! That’s where they are losing - and at this point - more power to them in all this losing! I hope they don’t wise up at this point!